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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
Beneteau
Horrible dark interior. Extremely cheap build quality. Lowest resale of any modern boat. Express 30 and 35 Terribly dated due to focus on racing. No fleets for these J-boat wannabes and little interest due to the angular design that offends the eye. Siedleman 30 Ugh. It's 30 feet with pretty cushions, right? A poor sailing boat that gets less respect than Mac, Beneteau or even Hunter. Cheap. Poor quality everywhere. Hard to give them away. The C&C 32...the good! because C&C focused on building quality yachts, these boats remain popular and respected. They also focused heavily on family cruiser elements, so that as her performance dated, her cruisability remained. Better built than any of the other boats by far. Capt RB |
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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
And yet all of the boats Booby disdains have carried their owners (in this group) an order
of magnitude further than Booby's boat. His big trip of the season was virtually within the city limits! Is he afraid to test the quality? "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Beneteau Horrible dark interior. Extremely cheap build quality. Lowest resale of any modern boat. Express 30 and 35 Terribly dated due to focus on racing. No fleets for these J-boat wannabes and little interest due to the angular design that offends the eye. Siedleman 30 Ugh. It's 30 feet with pretty cushions, right? A poor sailing boat that gets less respect than Mac, Beneteau or even Hunter. Cheap. Poor quality everywhere. Hard to give them away. The C&C 32...the good! because C&C focused on building quality yachts, these boats remain popular and respected. They also focused heavily on family cruiser elements, so that as her performance dated, her cruisability remained. Better built than any of the other boats by far. Capt RB |
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of magnitude further than Booby's boat. His big trip of the season was
virtually within the city limits! Is he afraid to test the quality? Still sailed more day and nights than anyone here! Couldn't sail far because my wife is in school. You lose AGAIN! RB |
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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
I lose? You're the one who has a nice cruising boat and only daysails! I did more
daysails before I was 18 than you'll do in your life; but now that I'm grown up I enjoy going a little further than the marina across the Sound. This was an "off year" for us, but we still took three trips further and longer than any you did this summer. In fact, it looks like just about everyone in the group does more real sailing than you, Booby. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... of magnitude further than Booby's boat. His big trip of the season was virtually within the city limits! Is he afraid to test the quality? Still sailed more day and nights than anyone here! Couldn't sail far because my wife is in school. You lose AGAIN! RB |
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In fact, it looks like just about everyone in the group does more
real sailing than you, Booby. Nope. Try again! Not only did I sail more, but I did it on more boats! RB |
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On 31 Oct 2003 14:37:12 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:
In fact, it looks like just about everyone in the group does more real sailing than you, Booby. Nope. Try again! Not only did I sail more, but I did it on more boats! Ah, ok. So, how much did I sail this year, and on how many boats? Remco |
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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
The C&C 32...the good!
You forget (maby you never knew) Express Yachts was started by ex C&C people who were dissatisfied with what was going on at C&C. Poor design, dated product line, poor build quality etc. So they left and formed Express Yachts, hired a real designer and built better boats. Period, end of story. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
You forget (maby you never knew) Express Yachts was started by ex C&C people
who were dissatisfied with what was going on at C&C. Poor design, dated product line, poor build quality etc. So they left and formed Express Yachts, hired a real designer and built better boats. I read all about Express some time ago. They were not unhappy with quality. They just wanted their own show and faster designs. But the designs didn't catch on. The company FAILED and so did the boats. End of the story! RB |
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The Bad, the Ugly and the Horrific...and the good
The company FAILED and so did the boats.
Well at least Express only failed once. C&C has failed how many times? S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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