Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

What's hockey got to do with anything. Doubling facts don't change =
nuthin.

Bull puckey: manure; cattle waste; excrement

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Aye Laddie... never a more frugal vessel was to be found. What it lacks
grossly in seaworthiness, sailing ability, kindly lines and quality .... it
makes up for in squeezin' your hard earned cash as thin as paper when it
comes to gettin a Scotsman onto the water.

CM

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
| Macgregor? Okaaay.
|
| "Horvath" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Ha! another MacGregor sailor.
|
|
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

You mean a CARP? Bwhahhahahhahahahhahaa. Hey when are you going to post
my video of Ella doing 8.5 knots on a fine reach?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Bwahahahahahahahaaaa.... that sea weed snaggin' nag you try and pawn off
here as a race horse?!!
Get a full keeled beauty like mine and you'll have a real boat.... not
somthing that balks at a port entry in 15 knots of wind because of a fouled
prop. :-)


CM


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Awwwwwwww cmon. Even you must realize that ain't gonna happen! I'm the
| only one with a boat worth owning here!
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Brian McAloon wrote:
|
| When I get my next and hopefully last boat (after
| carefully researching it so none of you guys will make fun of it) I will
| also love my new boat just as much.
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I'm shocked that you could so despise a simple troll from one so modest.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

What's hockey got to do with anything. Doubling facts don't change nuthin.

Bull puckey: manure; cattle waste; excrement

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:31:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:

Synapses a bit slow Holly? I said that 2 hours ago.

Well I wasn't reading it two hours ago.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I'm shocked that you could so despise a simple troll from one so modest.

Cheers MC

You read this group and you're shocked? I figured your naivety level to =
be pretty low...and it was just a clarification...Your troll wasn't =
really all that despicable....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

When you get your log fixed and a decent video without all that foliage
being towed.... ;-)

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You mean a CARP? Bwhahhahahhahahahhahaa. Hey when are you going to post
| my video of Ella doing 8.5 knots on a fine reach?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Bwahahahahahahahaaaa.... that sea weed snaggin' nag you try and pawn off
| here as a race horse?!!
| Get a full keeled beauty like mine and you'll have a real boat.... not
| somthing that balks at a port entry in 15 knots of wind because of a
fouled
| prop. :-)
|
|
| CM
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Awwwwwwww cmon. Even you must realize that ain't gonna happen! I'm the
| | only one with a boat worth owning here!
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Brian McAloon wrote:
| |
| | When I get my next and hopefully last boat (after
| | carefully researching it so none of you guys will make fun of it) I
will
| | also love my new boat just as much.
| |
|
|
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Am I a stone? If you cut me do I not bleed? Are thou so heartless that
thou would'st eshcew my poor explanation for my immodesty? Am I so naive
after all the torment I have kindled from thine cruel hands? How can one
with so fair a voice be so cruel to the great kind Navigator© and yet
softly name a stupid oversized fluffy mut "Lambykins"?

Cheers MC


katysails wrote:
I'm shocked that you could so despise a simple troll from one so modest.

Cheers MC

You read this group and you're shocked? I figured your naivety level to be pretty low...and it was just a clarification...Your troll wasn't really all that despicable....

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I'm amazed you can read at all.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:31:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:

Synapses a bit slow Holly? I said that 2 hours ago.

Well I wasn't reading it two hours ago.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Both logs are fine. It's you who can't imagine such speeds from a 40' boat.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

When you get your log fixed and a decent video without all that foliage
being towed.... ;-)

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You mean a CARP? Bwhahhahahhahahahhahaa. Hey when are you going to post
| my video of Ella doing 8.5 knots on a fine reach?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Bwahahahahahahahaaaa.... that sea weed snaggin' nag you try and pawn off
| here as a race horse?!!
| Get a full keeled beauty like mine and you'll have a real boat.... not
| somthing that balks at a port entry in 15 knots of wind because of a
fouled
| prop. :-)
|
|
| CM
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Awwwwwwww cmon. Even you must realize that ain't gonna happen! I'm the
| | only one with a boat worth owning here!
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Brian McAloon wrote:
| |
| | When I get my next and hopefully last boat (after
| | carefully researching it so none of you guys will make fun of it) I
will
| | also love my new boat just as much.
| |
|
|
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

No, he got that skill when he was 20. It's the comprehension that's lacking.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I'm amazed you can read at all.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:31:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:


Synapses a bit slow Holly? I said that 2 hours ago.

Well I wasn't reading it two hours ago.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I assume you were referring to my Morgan. Quality? As far as the other
stuff goes its a coastal cruiser, and she does what she was designed to do.
I guess if you want to use the term grossly that's ok too, no big deal. I
have however read one scathing review of the OI series. This one in
particular was on the 41 and discussed on the Morganlist at Sailnet at
length. None of the Morgan owners have experienced any of the problems to
the degree the reviewer stated as common on all OI's. The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general. I however have
experienced none of the problems the reviewer referred to as quality issues
with the OI line. When I first hauled her right after purchase there were a
few minor blisters which I had fixed in a few days. Two years later I have
not seen any blisters coming back in the monthly bottom cleanings I do. Did
a moisture test after grinding out the few small blisters and found the hull
to be high and dry contrary to the reviewers steadfast opinion of "those
horribly built Morgan's and their wet hulls". Judging by the growth on the
hull the boat had not been hauled for 6 years plus, a conservative estimate
considering the growth was about one solid inch thick with other various
growth reaching much further out. My decks are not spongy. I do have two
hull/deck joint leaks which I don't think is excessive considering the boat
is going to be 30 years old next year. All in all I find the construction on
my OI to be sound. I did replace the countertop at the galley sink which was
rotted due to a leaky faucet over what must have been years. The owner I
purchased from had only owned the boat for a few months and then sold to me
due to a change in plans. The previous owner had never done any maintenance
whatsoever to this boat in years. the only things that I have to fix at
haulout in late 2003 are things that would wear out on any 30 year old boat.
So the only thing that confuses me about your statement is the quality
issue. Please clarify your point and also what you base your knowledge of
Morgan quality on. Maybe you know something I should check for at haulout.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Aye Laddie... never a more frugal vessel was to be found. What it lacks
grossly in seaworthiness, sailing ability, kindly lines and quality ....
it
makes up for in squeezin' your hard earned cash as thin as paper when it
comes to gettin a Scotsman onto the water.

CM

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
| Macgregor? Okaaay.
|
| "Horvath" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Ha! another MacGregor sailor.
|
|
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

No you thin skinned over sensitive, defensive scupper slime... I was
referring to the MacGregor 26XL.
Cripes you just wasted 1000 words in a feeble defense while laying bare all
the particulars of your vessel like a swollen ulcer.

Try reading for comprehension instead of confrontation..... thank the gods
you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

CM

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
| I assume you were referring to my Morgan. Quality? As far as the other
| stuff goes its a coastal cruiser, and she does what she was designed to
do.
| I guess if you want to use the term grossly that's ok too, no big deal. I
| have however read one scathing review of the OI series. This one in
| particular was on the 41 and discussed on the Morganlist at Sailnet at
| length. None of the Morgan owners have experienced any of the problems to
| the degree the reviewer stated as common on all OI's. The reviewer
mentioned
| spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
| common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general. I however have
| experienced none of the problems the reviewer referred to as quality
issues
| with the OI line. When I first hauled her right after purchase there were
a
| few minor blisters which I had fixed in a few days. Two years later I have
| not seen any blisters coming back in the monthly bottom cleanings I do.
Did
| a moisture test after grinding out the few small blisters and found the
hull
| to be high and dry contrary to the reviewers steadfast opinion of "those
| horribly built Morgan's and their wet hulls". Judging by the growth on the
| hull the boat had not been hauled for 6 years plus, a conservative
estimate
| considering the growth was about one solid inch thick with other various
| growth reaching much further out. My decks are not spongy. I do have two
| hull/deck joint leaks which I don't think is excessive considering the
boat
| is going to be 30 years old next year. All in all I find the construction
on
| my OI to be sound. I did replace the countertop at the galley sink which
was
| rotted due to a leaky faucet over what must have been years. The owner I
| purchased from had only owned the boat for a few months and then sold to
me
| due to a change in plans. The previous owner had never done any
maintenance
| whatsoever to this boat in years. the only things that I have to fix at
| haulout in late 2003 are things that would wear out on any 30 year old
boat.
| So the only thing that confuses me about your statement is the quality
| issue. Please clarify your point and also what you base your knowledge of
| Morgan quality on. Maybe you know something I should check for at haulout.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Aye Laddie... never a more frugal vessel was to be found. What it lacks
| grossly in seaworthiness, sailing ability, kindly lines and quality ....
| it
| makes up for in squeezin' your hard earned cash as thin as paper when it
| comes to gettin a Scotsman onto the water.
|
| CM
|
| "Brian McAloon" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Macgregor? Okaaay.
| |
| | "Horvath" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | Ha! another MacGregor sailor.
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods
you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Ah the flames are still strong then.

Cheers MC


Brian McAloon wrote:

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods

you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

No, just not married.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Ah the flames are still strong then.

Cheers MC


Brian McAloon wrote:

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods

you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

As I posted earlier, Beneteau's suffer from a variety of quailty issues. Donal
had admitted to them, but in the interest of trolling retracted his statements.
As I see it this does not serve Beneteau or the buying public.
Blisters are a Beneteau staple, but other builders have also endured "blister
eras" including Valiant, Catalina and jeanaeu (pre Beneteau).
Other items...ill fitting floor boards, wood dust spotted beneath furiniture
after daysails indicating flex, poorly finished interior work, bad cracking gel
coat.
All trolls aside, these are real problems with Beneteau regardless of Donal's
defense. You only need to speak to surveyors to gather an honest sounding on
Beneteai quality. They are almost at the bottom these days. Hunter makes ugly
boats, but they've improved quality as has Catalina.
Of course when you build as many cookie cutter boats as Beneteau, you'll have a
percentage of happy owners to "claim good quality." It's possible to have
speed, comfort and quality. The C&C 34XL and 37XL built in the 90's does it all
better and you can sell them for more when you move up.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

When old friends of mine wanted to upgrade their liveaboard home they consulted their old
friend Giffy Full - a very well respected, retired surveyor, often referred to as a
"legend" among wooden boat surveyors.

Giffy's advice was to seek out a Morgan 41. As it turned out, they were unable to find
one to fit their budget, and ended up with a Gulfstar 41, with price reduced because of a
"spongy" deck.



"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Many Morgan yachts sell for more than was originally paid for them new but I
guess if you compute inflation and new equipment maybe not. they do seem to
hold their value well. The racing Morgan's are still sought after and some
more than 30 years old.
"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
When old friends of mine wanted to upgrade their liveaboard home they
consulted their old
friend Giffy Full - a very well respected, retired surveyor, often
referred to as a
"legend" among wooden boat surveyors.

Giffy's advice was to seek out a Morgan 41. As it turned out, they were
unable to find
one to fit their budget, and ended up with a Gulfstar 41, with price
reduced because of a
"spongy" deck.



"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced
those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading
the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about
Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would
use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service.
Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and
how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not
to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami
a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw
that as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many
years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats
and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as
very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people
like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats
and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

Yes, I have a Beneteau. It is 5 years old, and I've only had one minor
problem, which the dealer sorted out very quickly. I know a few other
owners, and they all seem happy with their choice.

I'm very pleased with the boat.


You have to try to understand Bobsprit's position. He has never owned a
boat that he felt proud of. So he keeps knocking other peoples' boats.
Everything about his life is "second best" and he tries to compensate by
being offensive to people who are more fortunate than he is. He even admits
that his boats are "stepping stones".


Take a look at his recent posts. He has been busy scouring the internet
for negative comments about other peoples' boats, which he then posts to
newsgroups. How sad is that? I think that I must have inadvertently
upset him a few years ago, and although I have always been polite to him he
still seems to be a bit angry. Lately, he has begun posting outright lies.

So take everything that Bob says with a bit of salt.



Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

You have to try to understand Bobsprit's position. He has never owned a
boat that he felt proud of. So he keeps knocking other peoples' boats.

Not true.
I rated Mooron's boat as among the best in this group. While I don't like the
Express it's also well built. Skitch' IP 31 is a great boat, even if heavy and
slow. Jeff's PDQ is an excellent boat.
I only bash a boat that I know to be of poor quailty. This has been proven
again and again, so why claim otherwise?

Damn, that was devastating, eh?!

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

the perpetual flame war that is asa

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Now he says he doesn't like the Express. Guess it
was the "other" bobspit that posted the following?

From: (Bobsprit)
Message-ID:

I like the express boats a lot, though the 30is a
bit small for us after the P30.

From: (Bobsprit)
Message-ID:

That said, Loco, I like the Express 30. The J 30
is too strange

From: (Bobsprit)
Message-ID:

You know I like the Express


--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
: While I don't like the
: Express it's also well built.
:
: RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Now he says he doesn't like the Express. Guess it
was the "other" bobspit that posted the following?

It's a good boat. I've always said so. I just don't care for the looks, but
it's way better built than any Beneteau.
Perhaps you don't agree?

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

What're you? A wise guy?

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I wonder what would happen after a few beers if the two of them were in a
bar. Yikes! I guess everything would be ok if they don't talk about boats
though. Then again bob would probably start in on Donal about how much
better his choice of beverage was. No offense to either of you intended.
"A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message
...

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Am I a stone? If you cut me do I not bleed?=20

Oh, good gravy....I take it all back...I humbly beg your =
forgiveness...(but my boat is still a good boat, too...)

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced =
those
problems though.=20

All the Morgan owners I've known have been very happy with their boats. =
Three of them were long time liveaboards and found them to be very =
functional for that purpose.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bobsprit is inferior - plain and simple.
 

Ya have to read between the lines. The boob, our resident idiot savant, has
a serious inferiority complex, thus, his problems with Donal and just about
everybody else in the group. Boob is what is commonly referred to as a
"troll". Go to any search engine and type in "usenet" and "troll", and read
on. Boob perceives that everyone else in the group is a better sailor, or
owns a better boat, thus his constant attempts to prove otherwise. BTW, the
blistering issue is generally considered a non-starter with contemporary
boats. It was a fairly widespread problem in the late '70's and early 80's,
I've read various explanations as to the exact cause, none of which had
anything to do with the "quality" of the manufacturer. Indeed, even Bristol
had problems with blistering, look in any magazine and see what the asking
price for a early 80's 41.1 is. Boob does provide the group with endless
comedic relief, but it is definitely lowbrow comedy at best.
John Cairns
"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about
Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would
use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and
how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not
to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that
as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats
and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as
very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people
like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is inferior - plain and simple.
 

BTW, the
blistering issue is generally considered a non-starter with contemporary
boats.

100% wrong, especially in warmer climates.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

The Morgan Out Island series was just your typical
motorboat with sails. They were sold mostly for the
charter trade to be rented by people who valued
room and schedules over sailing performance.

Besides that they are ugly as hell. There's not
much good to be said about a Morgan Out Island.
Around here they're called Morgan Out Houses.

S.Simon


"katysails" wrote in message ...
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though.

All the Morgan owners I've known have been very happy with their boats. Three of them were long time liveaboards and found them to
be very functional for that purpose.

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Bobsprit is inferior - plain and simple.
 

You show a great deal of ignorance. Where has your head
been during the past ten years or so. Blistering has been
figured out. You need to read the link I posted in the
"blistering explained" thread. Blistering is 90 percent
due to poor lay-up procedures and cheap resin.

S.Simon


"John Cairns" wrote in message ...
Ya have to read between the lines. The boob, our resident idiot savant, has
a serious inferiority complex, thus, his problems with Donal and just about
everybody else in the group. Boob is what is commonly referred to as a
"troll". Go to any search engine and type in "usenet" and "troll", and read
on. Boob perceives that everyone else in the group is a better sailor, or
owns a better boat, thus his constant attempts to prove otherwise. BTW, the
blistering issue is generally considered a non-starter with contemporary
boats. It was a fairly widespread problem in the late '70's and early 80's,
I've read various explanations as to the exact cause, none of which had
anything to do with the "quality" of the manufacturer. Indeed, even Bristol
had problems with blistering, look in any magazine and see what the asking
price for a early 80's 41.1 is. Boob does provide the group with endless
comedic relief, but it is definitely lowbrow comedy at best.
John Cairns
"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about
Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would
use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and
how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not
to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that
as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats
and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as
very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people
like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Bobsprit is inferior - plain and simple.
 

Right you are, again! See the link I posted about Beneteau
blister repair in the warranty period. What do they have
a five-year blister warranty?

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
BTW, the
blistering issue is generally considered a non-starter with contemporary
boats.

100% wrong, especially in warmer climates.

RB

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
I wonder what would happen after a few beers if the two of them were in a
bar. Yikes! I guess everything would be ok if they don't talk about boats
though. Then again bob would probably start in on Donal about how much
better his choice of beverage was. No offense to either of you intended.

No offence taken.
I'd be very impressed if you managed to upset me after only a few days here.
Bob has been trying for years - and he hasn't managed it yet! I'm very
thick skinned ( and Bob isn't very talented).


"A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message
...

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

Oi ! Spoilsport!



Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

I would never try to upset anyone. I'm to nice of a guy.
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
I wonder what would happen after a few beers if the two of them were in
a
bar. Yikes! I guess everything would be ok if they don't talk about
boats
though. Then again bob would probably start in on Donal about how much
better his choice of beverage was. No offense to either of you intended.

No offence taken.
I'd be very impressed if you managed to upset me after only a few days
here.
Bob has been trying for years - and he hasn't managed it yet! I'm very
thick skinned ( and Bob isn't very talented).


"A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message
...

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

Oi ! Spoilsport!



Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
If you loved your vessel, you would keep her for more than two years!

Donal tells us that love of a boat is determined by length of ownership.

Perhaps love is demonstrated by length of comminment??

Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit is superior - plain and simple.
 

JUST DON'T PRESS MY BUTTONS AGAIN!

oops...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
I wonder what would happen after a few beers if the two of them were in
a
bar. Yikes! I guess everything would be ok if they don't talk about
boats
though. Then again bob would probably start in on Donal about how much
better his choice of beverage was. No offense to either of you intended.

No offence taken.
I'd be very impressed if you managed to upset me after only a few days
here.
Bob has been trying for years - and he hasn't managed it yet! I'm very
thick skinned ( and Bob isn't very talented).


"A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message
...

If all of you would sit down over beers and swap lie^Wstories, you'd
probably get along just fine.

Oi ! Spoilsport!



Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit is inferior - plain and simple.
 

So, 1 out of 10 isn't a lay-up or resin problem?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You show a great deal of ignorance. Where has your head
been during the past ten years or so. Blistering has been
figured out. You need to read the link I posted in the
"blistering explained" thread. Blistering is 90 percent
due to poor lay-up procedures and cheap resin.

S.Simon


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Ya have to read between the lines. The boob, our resident idiot savant,
has
a serious inferiority complex, thus, his problems with Donal and just
about
everybody else in the group. Boob is what is commonly referred to as a
"troll". Go to any search engine and type in "usenet" and "troll", and
read
on. Boob perceives that everyone else in the group is a better sailor,
or
owns a better boat, thus his constant attempts to prove otherwise. BTW,
the
blistering issue is generally considered a non-starter with contemporary
boats. It was a fairly widespread problem in the late '70's and early
80's,
I've read various explanations as to the exact cause, none of which had
anything to do with the "quality" of the manufacturer. Indeed, even
Bristol
had problems with blistering, look in any magazine and see what the
asking
price for a early 80's 41.1 is. Boob does provide the group with
endless
comedic relief, but it is definitely lowbrow comedy at best.
John Cairns
"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced
those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading
the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about
Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard
would
use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service.
Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters
and
how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as
not
to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in
Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw
that
as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many
years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these
boats
and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as
very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people
like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB