What are you comparing? For cruising, racing, long distance
passagemaking, best compromise between the three, best
day-only boat, what?

Seems like the passagemaking winner would be the C&C
(except that I'd get rid of the bs sitting in high spots).

The most open airy space would be the jboat.

The best compromise would be the express.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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The Cabin of the Express 30...

http://www.express30.com/photos/images/DSCN1359.jpg

The Cabin of the C&C 32....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int23.jpg

The J30 Interior....

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincabaft.jpg

What a joke the Express is as a cruiser! And that's the best pic of an
Express
30 interior I can find! Looks like a mid 80's Catalina 27 inside!
Bwahahahaha!

Capt RB

Seems like the passagemaking winner would be the C&C
(except that I'd get rid of the bs sitting in high spots).

The most open airy space would be the jboat.

The best compromise would be the express.

The C&C 32 has a bigger better interior than either, more space overall and
still good performance. The C&C has a nicer helm station and cockpit, more
storage. For cruising it beats both the J and the Express hands down. It's also
a better looking boat compared to either.
Airy space. The C&C wins that one too.
Unless you count the airy space between Loco's ears!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
| The C&C 32 has a bigger better interior than either, more space overall
and
| still good performance. The C&C has a nicer helm station and cockpit, more
| storage. For cruising it beats both the J and the Express hands down. It's
also
| a better looking boat compared to either.
| Airy space. The C&C wins that one too.
| Unless you count the airy space between Loco's ears!

Don't look that way from the pictures.

CM

A large interior is not a good idea for passagemaking
or long distance cruising, just for day sailing or charter.

You didn't compare helm station or cockpit in the photos
so no judgement can be rendered.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Seems like the passagemaking winner would be the C&C
(except that I'd get rid of the bs sitting in high spots).

The most open airy space would be the jboat.

The best compromise would be the express.

The C&C 32 has a bigger better interior than either, more space overall
and
still good performance. The C&C has a nicer helm station and cockpit, more
storage. For cruising it beats both the J and the Express hands down. It's
also
a better looking boat compared to either.
Airy space. The C&C wins that one too.
Unless you count the airy space between Loco's ears!

RB

You didn't compare helm station or cockpit in the photos
so no judgement can be rendered.

The C&C 32 has a contoured helm seat, engine controls on the pedestal, 3
cockpit lockers, oversized self tailing winches all around...and so on.
On either side of the raised helm seat is perfect secure seating. The pedestal
is set behind the endboom which is also nice for taller folk. The cockpit is
perfect for 5 people, seven starts to get crowded, but that's so on most any
boat.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/alienrain.jpg

On this express 30 cockpit, there is a flat and uncomfortable hardky raised
helm seat. There is no aft lazerette as on the 32-Mine holds all canvas, dock
lines and so on. Are there engine controls on the pedestal? In some respects it
looks like a older version of my cockpit with sharp edges. The 32 also has
larger cleats and redundant massive horns aft.
Here's the rather mundane Express 30 cockpit..note the placement of the
traveler--good for racing.

http://www.express30.com/photos/images/DSCN1390.jpg

RB

You didn't have a link for the J30. Seems to me that
comparing winches is probably not a valid comparison
since these are changeable.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You didn't compare helm station or cockpit in the photos
so no judgement can be rendered.

The C&C 32 has a contoured helm seat, engine controls on the pedestal, 3
cockpit lockers, oversized self tailing winches all around...and so on.
On either side of the raised helm seat is perfect secure seating. The
pedestal
is set behind the endboom which is also nice for taller folk. The cockpit
is
perfect for 5 people, seven starts to get crowded, but that's so on most
any
boat.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/alienrain.jpg

On this express 30 cockpit, there is a flat and uncomfortable hardky
raised
helm seat. There is no aft lazerette as on the 32-Mine holds all canvas,
dock
lines and so on. Are there engine controls on the pedestal? In some
respects it
looks like a older version of my cockpit with sharp edges. The 32 also has
larger cleats and redundant massive horns aft.
Here's the rather mundane Express 30 cockpit..note the placement of the
traveler--good for racing.

http://www.express30.com/photos/images/DSCN1390.jpg

RB

Still waiting for a pic of a nice Express 30 interior.

and waiting...
and waiting....
and waiting.....

Could this be it???
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/5/0/4/1150497_3.jpg
Holy Catalina style, Batman!

RB

Sure looks like a big step up from an early J-Boat What's your point?

And what's the Catalina Style? Half the 30 footers built have the U-shaped galley.
--
-jeff

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Still waiting for a pic of a nice Express 30 interior.

and waiting...
and waiting....
and waiting.....

Could this be it???
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/5/0/4/1150497_3.jpg
Holy Catalina style, Batman!

RB

And what's the Catalina Style? Half the 30 footers built have the U-shaped
galley.

The cheap look of it all, not the layout.

RB

Well if that's what you meant, the J has the cheapest look by far. I remember going on board on and
trying hard not to giggle.

I'm not saying they aren't well made, I've always had a lot of respect for Ev Pearson, but the early
J's had absolutely no pretense of being a comfortable cruising boat.

I've never been on and Express, and I gather neither have you, but from the pics of boats from the
same vintage the Express looks much better suited to cruising than the J.

--
-jeff

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
And what's the Catalina Style? Half the 30 footers built have the U-shaped
galley.

The cheap look of it all, not the layout.

RB