Loco recently admitted to me, in a tearful moment, that only 80 Express 30's
were built!!!
Holy Godzooky! Calling that poor ugly thang a still-born failure was a
understatement if there ever was one!
Why did it fail?
1) Terribly overpriced at the time.
2) Bland interior that was downright awful on some versions
3) Ugly deckhouse and overall look turned off many buyers.
4) Primitive cockpit design, hard edges and best for a tiller
5) No marque value or reputation for quality dispite a few good reviews.

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600 built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

So IF YOU WANT TO RACE, why buy the Express 30? One reason...price. They can be
found CHEAP. By contrast, a nice J30 will still command 30K or more.

Capt RB

Oh...and the J Boat has real marque value! Tell someone you own a J boat and
they know what you have. Tell them you have and Express and you end up saying
it's kinda like a racer version of the C&C's of that era, only uglier and not
as well finished.
Anytime Loco wants to post pics of his interior against mine...he's welcome!

Whoooooo Hoooooooie!

RB

Loco has made a bitch of Booby Sue. 95% of his posts are about Loco. His first
posts of the day are about Loco! His last posts of the evening are about Loco!
The power of Loco compels him!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Loco recently admitted to me, in a tearful moment, that only 80 Express 30's
were built!!!
Holy Godzooky! Calling that poor ugly thang a still-born failure was a
understatement if there ever was one!
Why did it fail?
1) Terribly overpriced at the time.
2) Bland interior that was downright awful on some versions
3) Ugly deckhouse and overall look turned off many buyers.
4) Primitive cockpit design, hard edges and best for a tiller
5) No marque value or reputation for quality dispite a few good reviews.

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600 built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

So IF YOU WANT TO RACE, why buy the Express 30? One reason...price. They can be
found CHEAP. By contrast, a nice J30 will still command 30K or more.

Capt RB

Loco has made a bitch of Booby Sue. 95% of his posts are about Loco. His first
posts of the day are about Loco! His last posts of the evening are about Loco!
The power of Loco compels him!

Golly, that's clever! But my first post was about Black water....oh, you're
right..it was Loco related!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

There appears to be a festering, deep down, genuine hatred/jealousy of Loco
and his yacht. There must be more to this than we know about. eh?

SV


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news

Loco has made a bitch of Booby Sue. 95% of his posts are about Loco. His
first
posts of the day are about Loco! His last posts of the evening are about
Loco!
The power of Loco compels him!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Loco recently admitted to me, in a tearful moment, that only 80 Express
30's
were built!!!
Holy Godzooky! Calling that poor ugly thang a still-born failure was a
understatement if there ever was one!
Why did it fail?
1) Terribly overpriced at the time.
2) Bland interior that was downright awful on some versions
3) Ugly deckhouse and overall look turned off many buyers.
4) Primitive cockpit design, hard edges and best for a tiller
5) No marque value or reputation for quality dispite a few good reviews.

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600
built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island
alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

So IF YOU WANT TO RACE, why buy the Express 30? One reason...price. They
can be
found CHEAP. By contrast, a nice J30 will still command 30K or more.

Capt RB

There appears to be a festering, deep down, genuine hatred/jealousy of Loco
and his yacht.

Yes indeed, but let me go on record: I don't hate the Express 30. For those who
want to race handicap, it's a fine choice. If you want a roomy cruiser there
are better choices.
I can't speak for others however.

RB

By contrast, a nice J30 will still command 30K or more.

No way not even on the Chesapeake where there's a fleet. My buddy bought a
nice one in N.Y. 3 years ago where there is no fleet and he paid $14K.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

My buddy bought a
nice one in N.Y. 3 years ago where there is no fleet and he paid $14K.

I have a friend who also got one in NY for cheap, but it's not the norm.
Average price is the mid 20s for 1979-1982 and the nicer ones of mid 80s go for
far higher, if you can find one.

RB

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600
built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

Now if the Boobster knew anything about boats he would have posted.
1. The J30 is slower than an Express 30. Painfully slow upwind in light air
which is why class rules allow a 163% genoa. Owners bitched and had the rules
changed. They know how slow the boat is. Boob**** thanks anything made by J
is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the only thing a J beats is another J.
Same thing as a Hobie Cat.
2. A tiller that requires the use of steriods in a breeze because of the
unbalanced rudder. The boat drives like a bus.
3. Great cabin? Try to avoid the stream of water from the chainplates while
replacing the port bulkhead that has been a failure on every J30. Try to take
a leak using the head. Try to set the prop.
4. Deck and cockpit designed for racers.
5. Plenty of other J30s to race against in some areas.
6. Racer oriented fractional rig that on every J30 has broken at the spreaders
unless modified. (I'll take a masthead any day and with a big chute run all
the fractionals down on the downwind leg.)
7. Have fun replacing the bulkhead under the cockpit floor that fails on every
J30.
8. Have fun replacing the core in the transom all around the exhaust outlet
that fails on every J30.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

thanks anything made by J
is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the only thing a J beats is another J.
Same thing as a Hobie Cat.


There you have if, folks. J-Boat doesn't make fast boats afterall!
You heard it from Loco first!
Loco lists a few problems that the J30 has. Big whoop. All boats have some
problems. Doesn't effect my comments one bit. The J30 was and remains a
success.
The Express 30 failed then and is generally unknown now by the sailing public.
Yes, I know, they're very popular somewhere or other!

Bwahahahaha!


RB