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Bobsprit October 20th 03 06:15 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I already own one of the better boats here! But now I'm soon to have the VERY
best sailing vessel in this group!

A 1993 C&C 34XL (36 feet). Since we won't race her, I'll re-install her genset
keep the AC/heater installed. I'll enjoy her brand new Ray Radar, top of the
line color Garmin chartplotter and hyrdo' below decks autopilot. Her suit of
mostly recent (5) racing sails will be fun, and then there are her hardly used
cruising sails (4). Down below is a new 17 inch flat panel TV with DVD and
surround sound! The interior is practically untouched and in mint condition!
We also like the swim platform that lowers with the press of a button and all
of the instruments including radar, repeated at the pedestal! Good lord! All
that and she's sleek and pretty!
Can I used Loco's Express 30 as a mooring ball? Can I use Neal's Coronado as a
dinghy? Can I use Scott's Sad-el-man as....anything?
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochur...+/34+b2p10.jpg
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochur...+/34+b1p01.jpg

How's that, Thom? Good form?

Capt RB

Simple Simon October 20th 03 06:26 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I'll believe it when I see it.

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I already own one of the better boats here! But now I'm soon to have the VERY
best sailing vessel in this group!

A 1993 C&C 34XL (36 feet). Since we won't race her, I'll re-install her genset
keep the AC/heater installed. I'll enjoy her brand new Ray Radar, top of the
line color Garmin chartplotter and hyrdo' below decks autopilot. Her suit of
mostly recent (5) racing sails will be fun, and then there are her hardly used
cruising sails (4). Down below is a new 17 inch flat panel TV with DVD and
surround sound! The interior is practically untouched and in mint condition!
We also like the swim platform that lowers with the press of a button and all
of the instruments including radar, repeated at the pedestal! Good lord! All
that and she's sleek and pretty!
Can I used Loco's Express 30 as a mooring ball? Can I use Neal's Coronado as a
dinghy? Can I use Scott's Sad-el-man as....anything?
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochur...+/34+b2p10.jpg
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochur...+/34+b1p01.jpg

How's that, Thom? Good form?

Capt RB




Bobsprit October 20th 03 06:35 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I'll believe it when I see it.

Hang on to that, Neal.
It's all you've got! You can keep saying it for a while, since we will keep
Alien through 2004. Enjoy...for NOW!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Simple Simon October 20th 03 06:41 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I'll believe it when I see it.

Hang on to that, Neal.
It's all you've got! You can keep saying it for a while, since we will keep
Alien through 2004. Enjoy...for NOW!!!



I do enjoy my fine yacht. And, I enjoy her 24/7 which is
more that ANYONE else here can claim. I've spent more
time on the water in the past 15 years than EVERYBODY
who posts to this group PUT TOGETHER.

S.Simon



Bobsprit October 20th 03 06:55 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I do enjoy my fine yacht. And, I enjoy her 24/7 which is
more that ANYONE else here can claim. I've spent more
time on the water in the past 15 years than EVERYBODY
who posts to this group PUT TOGETHER.

The above is entirely correct.
Being happy with the boat you have is key, no matter how expensive or modest.
Compared to the rest of the world, we are all very lucky to have boats at all!
Only folks like Loco, Steve, Scotty, Skitchy and Donal get upset by someone
having a "better" boat. Sadly, someone will always have a better boat, if
viewed through their narrow vision. That's why my post will upset them so. It's
really sad.
Congrats on your boat and the mature perspecitive allowing you to enjoy her
completley.
A fine example indeed.

RB

Donal October 20th 03 11:05 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I do enjoy my fine yacht. And, I enjoy her 24/7 which is
more that ANYONE else here can claim. I've spent more
time on the water in the past 15 years than EVERYBODY
who posts to this group PUT TOGETHER.

The above is entirely correct.
Being happy with the boat you have is key, no matter how expensive or

modest.
Compared to the rest of the world, we are all very lucky to have boats at

all!
Only folks like Loco, Steve, Scotty, Skitchy and Donal get upset by

someone
having a "better" boat.


How would you know that we would get upset if you had a better boat?

You've been the proud owner of several old, cheap boats. Each one was
nothing more than a "stepping stone" for you.

You've only had "Alien" for a few months, and you are already looking
forward to your next boat.


It seems to me that there is only one person here, who is so dissatisfied
with his vessel, that he envies other peoples' boats. That person is you,
Bob.

The reason for your unhapiness is clear. You are unhappy because you sail
on an old, cheap "stepping stone".



Regards


Donal
--




Joe October 20th 03 11:14 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...



"I've spent more
time on the water in the past 15 years than EVERYBODY
who posts to this group PUT TOGETHER.

S.Simon


Wanna bet?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

Simple Simon October 21st 03 12:36 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Maybe!


"Joe" wrote in message om...

Wanna bet?




Bobsprit October 21st 03 12:50 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
The reason for your unhapiness is clear. You are unhappy because you sail
on an old, cheap "stepping stone".

A perfect example by Donal. He thinks this way because he is this way.
Even the idea of using words like "cheap" on any luxury item like a boat, it's
pretty sad. At his age it's too late to change I guess.
I hope everyone is as happy with thier vessels as I am.

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 12:57 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
ou've been the proud owner of several old, cheap boats.

First the poor pinhead says I'm a "proud owner" then he suggests that I'm not
happy with the boats!
Zikes!

RB

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 02:16 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Only folks like Loco, Steve, Scotty, Skitchy and Donal get upset by someone
having a "better" boat.

LOL...... Dude, I live near Annapolis I see better boats than mine all the
time. Doesn't bother me a bit.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 02:17 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
It seems to me that there is only one person here, who is so dissatisfied
with his vessel, that he envies other peoples' boats. That person is you,
Bob.

Sort of says it all.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 02:18 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Hey Dipwad, Wanna a mint condition original brochure for your new ride? $50.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Simple Simon October 21st 03 02:42 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Huh?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Hey Dipwad, Wanna a mint condition original brochure for your new ride? $50.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport




Michael Olsen October 21st 03 03:04 AM

Do it.
 
I'm increasingly loving those C&C's. Just do it!

Go bob go.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'll believe it when I see it.

Hang on to that, Neal.
It's all you've got! You can keep saying it for a while, since we will

keep
Alien through 2004. Enjoy...for NOW!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB




Bobsprit October 21st 03 11:33 AM

Do it.
 
I'm increasingly loving those C&C's. Just do it!

We will. The C&C 32 we have now is terrific. The only problem is my height of
6'3 makes sleeping below a bit tight. The head is also tiny for tall folk.
Other than that, it's a pretty perfect cruiser and day sailor for my area.
The only other item that bugs me is the C&C's (and other designs) that feature
the glued in windows. I think they are far less seaworthy than a framed window,
dispite the strength of the Plexus adhesives. Not much of a factor for local
sailing of course.

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 11:37 AM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
LOL...... Dude, I live near Annapolis I see better boats than mine all the
time. Doesn't bother me a bit.

It SHOULDN'T. You own a yacht. Big or small, expensive or "cheap" it's a friken
yacht. A lavish toy in a world where half the population struggles for food and
shelter.
Poor donal would do well to get some perspective. Where I troll about my
"better" stuff, he's quite serious in his comments.

RB



Bobsprit October 21st 03 11:56 AM

Do it.
 
Booby didn't know how tall he was until after he bought Derilect.

Hey! I forgot all about Billy Jane and his little 27!!!
Wrong again, Janey! We bought the 32 to keep us sailing through Suzanne's
schooling and nothing more. If I was a little twerp like you, I'd keep her! But
I'd never be trapped for long on a itty bitty girly toy like the 27!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 02:33 PM

Do it.
 
Oops! Now
I've really gotten to the bottom of Bobby Sue's problems! Suzanne is
Bobby Sue's "beard"!!!

Bobby Sue? That's a good one.
Your boat's still a joke! I know...you're "really very happy with it!"

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 03:22 PM

Do it.
 
Yes, I am quite happy with it. As a matter of fact, I was notified by
Boat US this morning that they are RAISING the agreed value on it,
because it is in unusually good condition.

Bwahahahaa! Boat insurance for suckers! Seriously, Bill...they are the worst,
unless you have a total loss which they can't fight.
Agreed value on Alien is 36K. Her original survey before we actually got her
together was 32K.
Dream on about real boats, Billy Jane. We're getting a C&C 34XL!!!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 03:26 PM

Do it.
 
As a matter of fact, I was notified by
Boat US this morning that they are RAISING the agreed value on it,

To what? 18K???

RB

Joe October 21st 03 03:56 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Huh?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Hey Dipwad, Wanna a mint condition original brochure for your new ride? $50.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport




I think he was talking to Bobspirt. Brochure to his next POS.

Joe

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 04:03 PM

Do it.
 
The only problem is my height of
6'3 makes sleeping below a bit tight.

Excuse me .............. Does everybody remember this dipwad posting 20 times
how big the V-berth was in the 32? He said it put every boat made since the
biginning of time to shame in this area. Boob**** your a trip.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 04:06 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I think he was talking to Bobspirt. Brochure to his next POS.

Correct.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Bobsprit October 21st 03 04:07 PM

Do it.
 
Excuse me .............. Does everybody remember this dipwad posting 20 times
how big the V-berth was in the 32? He said it put every boat made since the
biginning of time to shame in this area. Boob**** your a trip.

100% lie. Never posted any such thing. I can fit in all of the berths, but they
are all a bit short. The main double is 6'7, which is doable.
The 34XL has a king sized aft berth.

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 04:09 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I think he was talking to Bobspirt. Brochure to his next POS.

Sheesh. Joe thinks C&C is POS? Oh well!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 04:12 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I think he was talking to Bobspirt. Brochure to his next POS.

Correct.

Yes, Loco DO TELL us all how the 1993 C&C 34XL is a POS!!!
This I gotta hear!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 04:59 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I think he's referring to the fact that YOU seem to have a talent for
picking out derelects with severe problems.

Damn! My C&C has severe problems?
Ohhh noooo!

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 05:04 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
I think he's referring to the fact that YOU seem to have a talent for
picking out derelects with severe problems.

Ahhh yes...my LAST boat with severe problems...which sold for well above what I
paid...

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/sunnyghost.jpg

And now I have a boat, with already an offer for double what she cost!
Yup...I'm pretty bad at this boat buying thing!

Hoooh ahhh! Billy trolls himself into the frying pan again!

RB

SAIL LOCO October 21st 03 05:07 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Yes, Loco DO TELL us all how the 1993 C&C 34XL is a POS!!!
This I gotta hear!
RB

Dufas, you have to actually read the posts to understand who's saying what. I
didn't say that.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Jeff Morris October 21st 03 07:23 PM

Do it.
 
So why is it that every time this issue comes up (usually on rec.boats.cruising) that the
unanimous opinion is the Boat/US is good insurance. I've never had a claim, but those of
friends have been handled quickly and efficiently. My cousin had their Sabre airlifted
out of a swamp - it made the cover of the catalog!

You're turning into jaxie - bad mouthing everyone just for the sake of a troll!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Yes, I am quite happy with it. As a matter of fact, I was notified by
Boat US this morning that they are RAISING the agreed value on it,
because it is in unusually good condition.

Bwahahahaa! Boat insurance for suckers! Seriously, Bill...they are the worst,
unless you have a total loss which they can't fight.
Agreed value on Alien is 36K. Her original survey before we actually got her
together was 32K.
Dream on about real boats, Billy Jane. We're getting a C&C 34XL!!!

RB




Bobsprit October 21st 03 07:37 PM

Do it.
 
So why is it that every time this issue comes up (usually on
rec.boats.cruising) that the
unanimous opinion is the Boat/US is good insurance.

Jeff, if you're serious about this, e-mail me off list and I'll explain how
BoatUS depreciates gear for claims worse than any other insurance co. For
instance, if you lose your mast, BoatUS won't pay for it unless it's less than
7-10 years old. This happened to the fellow who bought my friends Typhoon after
a powerboat hit it. It also happened to my friend with a Tartan 33. They are
the worst unless you lose the boat entirely.

RB

Jeff Morris October 21st 03 08:01 PM

Do it.
 
So you're saying that your friend didn't pay the modest extra charge for the "Depreciation
Waiver." My insurance says:

"We will pay the reasonable cost of repair or replacement of the damaged item at the time
of loss without deduction for depreciation."

If you choose not to repair, they will only pay the depreciated value.

Later they add: "Depreciation Waiver will not apply to boats after the fifteenth year from
the time of manufacture."

As far as I know, depreciation is standard with all boat insurance. Boat/US, however
offers the waiver as part of the "premier" endorsement, which adds a variety of useful
things, like small deductibles for electronics and dinghy theft,


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
So why is it that every time this issue comes up (usually on
rec.boats.cruising) that the
unanimous opinion is the Boat/US is good insurance.

Jeff, if you're serious about this, e-mail me off list and I'll explain how
BoatUS depreciates gear for claims worse than any other insurance co. For
instance, if you lose your mast, BoatUS won't pay for it unless it's less than
7-10 years old. This happened to the fellow who bought my friends Typhoon after
a powerboat hit it. It also happened to my friend with a Tartan 33. They are
the worst unless you lose the boat entirely.

RB




Thom Stewart October 21st 03 08:41 PM

Do it.
 
Nutsy,

King Size has to do with width not length.

I thought everyone knew that!!

Nutsy you did make that statement about "Derelicts" bunk size.

OT


Thom Stewart October 21st 03 08:57 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
Nutsy,

POS-------Purposed Other Sham.

Nutsy you don't own the boat in question. As of now it is just a wish
list item. A sham. A POS as far as a Troll is concerned. POS, POS, POS,
:^) POS, POS, POS,GPOS, Pos, BWAH,HA,Ha,

Oh God, I wish this rain would stop! I'm house Bound!

Ole Thom


Bobsprit October 21st 03 09:11 PM

Do it.
 
Later they add: "Depreciation Waiver will not apply to boats after the
fifteenth year from
the time of manufacture."

The above does not apply to my current policy through Traveler Yacht Insurace,
which is costing me 120 dollars less than the Boat US policy I had on Ghost. I
know too many people who were burned by BoatUS or at the very least were
treated like criminals after they suffered damage that was not their fault in
any way. There's a Hunter 40 at my yard that was in a long dispute with BoatUS
after she suffered storm damage. BoatUS tried to claim that some damage could
not be attributed to the storm directly and so on. Anything to drag out the
situation and lower the settlement in their favor. Same deal on an Alberg 30 at
Morgan's Marina. Too many rotten stories about BoatUS. No one I know uses them
anymore.
No doubt some people have had good luck with them, just no one I've ever met.
Travelers insurance was recomended to me by several friends at yards who do
repairs. If West Marine took over the operation that's still another reason to
go with a more profesional outfit.
I like the fact that the agent knew what My boat was right down to the issues
she might have. So did their approved surveyor. Not so with BoatUS.

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 09:14 PM

EAT MY WAKE, LOSERS!
 
POS-------Purposed Other Sham.

Nutsy you don't own the boat in question. As of now it is just a wish
list item.

Actually, as of December 15th, we will have closed the deal via a contract,
pending a final payment. She'll be dry through that time. The only bad part is
we'll pay storage on the second boat, but can't use her.
We won't take the boat until 2005 of course, but that's when Suzanne is done
with school. The only change is that we were supposed to wait an extra year
before going bigger, but the deal is just too good, just like the 32.

RB

Bobsprit October 21st 03 09:19 PM

Do it.
 
Nutsy you did make that statement about "Derelicts" bunk size.

Not about the V-Berth I didn't. Look it up!
The berth on the 34XL is just under 7 by 7 feet! Who cares what King Sized
means? It's a big comfortable bed with room for two adults. The guy even
upgraded it to a thicker and better grade.
Ventilation will be an issue. There are two ports that open into the cockpit
and I doubt we'll close the door often, but I already have some ideas on how to
improve it.

RB

Jeff Morris October 21st 03 09:31 PM

Do it.
 
Of course, I had to read further to make sure. As near as I can tell even without the
"premier endorsement" my mast would be covered in full. Canvas and outboards depreciate
after 5 years, "Internal machinery" after 10. Rigging was not mentioned and is therefore
covered fully under an "all risks" policy.

Boat/US does offer a Basic, No Frills policy where they say up front that everything is
depreciated. Sounds like RB's friends gambled and lost.

http://www.boatus.com/insurance/policy.htm




"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
So you're saying that your friend didn't pay the modest extra charge for the

"Depreciation
Waiver." My insurance says:

"We will pay the reasonable cost of repair or replacement of the damaged item at the

time
of loss without deduction for depreciation."

If you choose not to repair, they will only pay the depreciated value.

Later they add: "Depreciation Waiver will not apply to boats after the fifteenth year

from
the time of manufacture."

As far as I know, depreciation is standard with all boat insurance. Boat/US, however
offers the waiver as part of the "premier" endorsement, which adds a variety of useful
things, like small deductibles for electronics and dinghy theft,


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
So why is it that every time this issue comes up (usually on
rec.boats.cruising) that the
unanimous opinion is the Boat/US is good insurance.

Jeff, if you're serious about this, e-mail me off list and I'll explain how
BoatUS depreciates gear for claims worse than any other insurance co. For
instance, if you lose your mast, BoatUS won't pay for it unless it's less than
7-10 years old. This happened to the fellow who bought my friends Typhoon after
a powerboat hit it. It also happened to my friend with a Tartan 33. They are
the worst unless you lose the boat entirely.

RB






Capt. Mooron October 21st 03 10:42 PM

Do it.
 
Ha Ha Ha ha ha...... the V berth on Overproof is 7'6"!!!!!!! I've got 6'4"
headroom in the main cabin!!!!

I think I might put a mirror on the ceiling of my berth so I can wake up
looking at the person I love most in this world!!! ;-)


CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Nutsy you did make that statement about "Derelicts" bunk size.
|
| Not about the V-Berth I didn't. Look it up!
| The berth on the 34XL is just under 7 by 7 feet! Who cares what King Sized
| means? It's a big comfortable bed with room for two adults. The guy even
| upgraded it to a thicker and better grade.
| Ventilation will be an issue. There are two ports that open into the
cockpit
| and I doubt we'll close the door often, but I already have some ideas on
how to
| improve it.
|
| RB




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