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The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Worried about the skin thickness?

No more curious than anything. Starting to think about having the
boat sandblasted and met-coated some day. I figure I have 4-5 hundred
pounds of paint on the boat. Original it was black when it was based
in the North Sea, Than it was gray, than blue now Red with yellow
trim. Underneath the original black is 5 mil coat of Red Lead, the
reason Ive never stripped her.


How many chips and scratches do you have in your fragile gel-coat?


Forgotten to replace all those anodes

I replaced them 3 years ago at last haul out, and they have barely
been affected, I dive the boat every quarter and check them out . How
about your plastic boat, How many androids do you have?.

I have six- 2-15 pound tear shaped by the bow on the keel, 2 - 20lb
bricks on the each side of the stern area of the keel and two tear
shaped 5 pounders on the rudder.

again?

Only the second time in 10 years.

Have you checked out to see how many osomosis blisters your boat has?

Did you pop them all, or just let em keep swelling up like the zits on
your face?

Joe
MSV RedCloud Free of SOFT SPOTS.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...

Red Cloud - a particularly apt name for a steel boat.

Always surrounded by a cloud of red rust.

S.Simon



Perhaps that is true on any steel hull that you would maintain.

However Redcloud has an average of approx. 20 mils of paint. 13 mils
on the cabins 27 mils on the decks and 23 mils on the hulls. Applied
by a master steel preservation expert.....me.

I measured it just yesterday with my handy dandy Mikrotest Magnetic
Gage made in Germany by Elektrophysik-Koln.


Have you gauged the size of those blisters on your flimsy hull lately?

Joe
MSV RedCloud




"Joe" wrote in message om...

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...

What's a few best liveaboard sailing vessels, under 55 feet and under 300K on
the used market?


Capt RB


I would build a steel hull like this one:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

Sleeps six, but perfect for 2 to live on. Strong enough that even you
will feel safe out in the deep water. Long cruising range, room for a
party in the cockpit and you all stay dry. Small enough to single
hand, yet large enough to be comfortable.

You can also buy some nice kits from Bruce Roberts.

Here in the marina is a sweet 62 foot aluminum ketch, But it's 335K.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Real nice - 500 pounds of paint and all those zincs to
bother with. Ya gotta just love steel. Probably has
a nice layer of rust working under all that cosmetic
paint.

I use NO zincs on my GRP boat and it has NO blisters.
It probably has about ten pounds of Dupont Imron paint
on the topsides.

Bwahahahahahaha!

S.Simon - very few chips and scratches because I stay
far away from docks.


"Joe" wrote in message om...
The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Worried about the skin thickness?

No more curious than anything. Starting to think about having the
boat sandblasted and met-coated some day. I figure I have 4-5 hundred
pounds of paint on the boat. Original it was black when it was based
in the North Sea, Than it was gray, than blue now Red with yellow
trim. Underneath the original black is 5 mil coat of Red Lead, the
reason Ive never stripped her.


How many chips and scratches do you have in your fragile gel-coat?


Forgotten to replace all those anodes

I replaced them 3 years ago at last haul out, and they have barely
been affected, I dive the boat every quarter and check them out . How
about your plastic boat, How many androids do you have?.

I have six- 2-15 pound tear shaped by the bow on the keel, 2 - 20lb
bricks on the each side of the stern area of the keel and two tear
shaped 5 pounders on the rudder.

again?

Only the second time in 10 years.

Have you checked out to see how many osomosis blisters your boat has?

Did you pop them all, or just let em keep swelling up like the zits on
your face?

Joe
MSV RedCloud Free of SOFT SPOTS.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...

Red Cloud - a particularly apt name for a steel boat.

Always surrounded by a cloud of red rust.

S.Simon



Perhaps that is true on any steel hull that you would maintain.

However Redcloud has an average of approx. 20 mils of paint. 13 mils
on the cabins 27 mils on the decks and 23 mils on the hulls. Applied
by a master steel preservation expert.....me.

I measured it just yesterday with my handy dandy Mikrotest Magnetic
Gage made in Germany by Elektrophysik-Koln.


Have you gauged the size of those blisters on your flimsy hull lately?

Joe
MSV RedCloud




"Joe" wrote in message om...

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...

What's a few best liveaboard sailing vessels, under 55 feet and under 300K on
the used market?


Capt RB


I would build a steel hull like this one:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

Sleeps six, but perfect for 2 to live on. Strong enough that even you
will feel safe out in the deep water. Long cruising range, room for a
party in the cockpit and you all stay dry. Small enough to single
hand, yet large enough to be comfortable.

You can also buy some nice kits from Bruce Roberts.

Here in the marina is a sweet 62 foot aluminum ketch, But it's 335K.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:49:37 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Red Cloud - a particularly apt name for a steel boat.

Always surrounded by a cloud of red rust.

S.Simon

I used to live aboard a steel boat.* As long as you keep up with the
painting, it's no big deal. You can run one into things that will
just give it a dent, where a fiberglass, wood, or (shudder) cement
boat will hole.

Steel is a wonderful material out of which to build a boat. I'm truly
surprised that there are not more of them. There must be some kind of
manufacturing challenge involved, but you have to wonder how Kaiser
managed to turn out Liberty Ships at the rate of one a day were that
true.







*OK, it was a destroyer tender, and we had 800 crewmen maintaining
her, but still.

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"The_navigator©" wrote:

Nice? Marvellous! Beautiful! Excellent! MC goes off mumbling...

Well, I could have said all those things, but my opinion doesn't hold
any merit, because I'm not a sailor. Don't be so stinkin'
sensitive... :-)

LP

Lady Pilot wrote:

You have a nice boat, Nav...

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A window of that area in 1/4 lexan look woefully under strength. When a
big wave hits it will pop out. You need storm shutters...

My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as
they do it themselves.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:
The_navigator© wrote in message ...

Don't take her into the ocean. Those huge 'windows' won't make it.

Cheers MC


To late, RedCloud made it across the Atlantic 3 times, And thats when
the windows were glass. Now they are 1/4 inch lexan.

Dont take that dangerious Cat of yours to far from a crane. YOU WILL
NEED IT WHEN YOU FLIP OVER.

Joe






Joe wrote:


(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...


What's a few best liveaboard sailing vessels, under 55 feet and under 300K on
the used market?


Capt RB



I would build a steel hull like this one:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

Sleeps six, but perfect for 2 to live on. Strong enough that even you
will feel safe out in the deep water. Long cruising range, room for a
party in the cockpit and you all stay dry. Small enough to single
hand, yet large enough to be comfortable.

You can also buy some nice kits from Bruce Roberts.

Here in the marina is a sweet 62 foot aluminum ketch, But it's 335K.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message ...

Worried about the skin thickness?


No more curious than anything. Starting to think about having the
boat sandblasted and met-coated some day. I figure I have 4-5 hundred
pounds of paint on the boat. Original it was black when it was based
in the North Sea, Than it was gray, than blue now Red with yellow
trim. Underneath the original black is 5 mil coat of Red Lead, the
reason Ive never stripped her.

That'll make nice pock marks when she blisters and she will...


How many chips and scratches do you have in your fragile gel-coat?



Several but they only take 15 minutes to repair and polish out once a year.


Forgotten to replace all those anodes


I replaced them 3 years ago at last haul out, and they have barely
been affected, I dive the boat every quarter and check them out . How
about your plastic boat, How many androids do you have?.

I have six- 2-15 pound tear shaped by the bow on the keel, 2 - 20lb
bricks on the each side of the stern area of the keel and two tear
shaped 5 pounders on the rudder.


again?


Only the second time in 10 years.

Have you checked out to see how many osomosis blisters your boat has?

Did you pop them all, or just let em keep swelling up like the zits on
your face?


No blisters on Ella and she's been in the water 16 years. If she doesn't
have them now she never will as her resin is certainly in equilibrium.
Of course she is a resin rich boat with vinyl ester...

I hope you look forward to the major repaint coming your way to cover up
the rust! How many dents in the hull do you have?

Cheers MC

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That may not be true. Glass boats bounce! You have to deflect the
laminate a huge distnce before it breaks.

Cheers MC

Pockets of Resistance wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:49:37 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Red Cloud - a particularly apt name for a steel boat.

Always surrounded by a cloud of red rust.

S.Simon


I used to live aboard a steel boat.* As long as you keep up with the
painting, it's no big deal. You can run one into things that will
just give it a dent, where a fiberglass, wood, or (shudder) cement
boat will hole.

Steel is a wonderful material out of which to build a boat. I'm truly
surprised that there are not more of them. There must be some kind of
manufacturing challenge involved, but you have to wonder how Kaiser
managed to turn out Liberty Ships at the rate of one a day were that
true.







*OK, it was a destroyer tender, and we had 800 crewmen maintaining
her, but still.

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But he's sitting on a compost heap!

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Yeah but Cappy has his own garden growing along the waterline. You know how
relaxing it is to tend to your garden.

CM

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I was reading up on GRP the other day and found out
one startling fact: the vibration of diesel engines hastens
the softening of the laminate. This isn't something I'm
making up because I don't have a diesel. Somebody
over at uk.rec.sailing posted a link to the ultimate
blister site and I read it there.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
That may not be true. Glass boats bounce! You have to deflect the
laminate a huge distnce before it breaks.

Cheers MC

Pockets of Resistance wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:49:37 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Red Cloud - a particularly apt name for a steel boat.

Always surrounded by a cloud of red rust.

S.Simon


I used to live aboard a steel boat.* As long as you keep up with the
painting, it's no big deal. You can run one into things that will
just give it a dent, where a fiberglass, wood, or (shudder) cement
boat will hole.

Steel is a wonderful material out of which to build a boat. I'm truly
surprised that there are not more of them. There must be some kind of
manufacturing challenge involved, but you have to wonder how Kaiser
managed to turn out Liberty Ships at the rate of one a day were that
true.







*OK, it was a destroyer tender, and we had 800 crewmen maintaining
her, but still.

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Dont take that dangerious Cat of yours to far from a crane. YOU WILL
NEED IT WHEN YOU FLIP OVER.

Why are you calling Ella Vuela a cat? She's a monohull...I think you're =
confusing people and their boats...

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as =

they do it themselves.

Interpretation for Jow: MC has kitty cats that flip all by =
themselves...

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Are you saying he's really that dense? (did you like the crane typo?)

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:
My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as
they do it themselves.

Interpretation for Jow: MC has kitty cats that flip all by themselves...

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:TnFkb.3758$B_2.1080@okepread02...
"Joe" wrote:
"Lady Pilot" wrote:


Hmm. It looks bigger in that picture, must be the lens.


Must be........



Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Are you saying he's really that dense? (did you like the crane typo?)

Cheers MC

Yes and yes. What kind of carne do you use to flip them?=20

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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The_navigator© wrote in message ...


A window of that area in 1/4 lexan look woefully under strength. When a
big wave hits it will pop out. You need storm shutters...


Might look that way from the outside but not the inside. Steel D beam
makes the big window actually 2 windows from the inside, you just
can't see that from the outside because of the dark lexan. I do have
shields for the front windows.

Joe



My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as
they do it themselves.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:
The_navigator© wrote in message ...

Don't take her into the ocean. Those huge 'windows' won't make it.

Cheers MC


To late, RedCloud made it across the Atlantic 3 times, And thats when
the windows were glass. Now they are 1/4 inch lexan.

Dont take that dangerious Cat of yours to far from a crane. YOU WILL
NEED IT WHEN YOU FLIP OVER.

Joe






Joe wrote:


(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...


What's a few best liveaboard sailing vessels, under 55 feet and under 300K on
the used market?


Capt RB



I would build a steel hull like this one:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

Sleeps six, but perfect for 2 to live on. Strong enough that even you
will feel safe out in the deep water. Long cruising range, room for a
party in the cockpit and you all stay dry. Small enough to single
hand, yet large enough to be comfortable.

You can also buy some nice kits from Bruce Roberts.

Here in the marina is a sweet 62 foot aluminum ketch, But it's 335K.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Takes one huge impact to hole fiberglass, it flexes

Actually it doesn't. The slightest bend or forced change in shape induces
fatigue in all FG. In most cases it retains up to 90% of it's original mold
strength after an impact or any forced change.
It does not truly flex damage free as does rubber or some styrene plastics.

You're welcome!

RB

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You're welcome!

RB

Read the words Bubbles "HOLE"!!

I'm aware of your point. I was just expanding the term as well as the very
limited understanding of FG currently present in the group.
You can't always see a hole. Flexed FG is filled with holes on a macroscopic
level.

RB

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"katysails" wrote in message ...
My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as

they do it themselves.

Interpretation for Jow: MC has kitty cats that flip all by
themselves...


News for Kayt: I understood his reference to his kitty cat.
I thought MC bought a catamaran. Maybe that Per. Whatever!

Joe

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The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Are you saying he's really that dense? (did you like the crane typo?)

Cheers MC



Hay smrt ass,

Ets My Spelling Chequer

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.


Joe

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Yew shudder sad "Sauce hun noun."

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
The_navigator© wrote in message
...
Are you saying he's really that dense? (did you like the crane typo?)

Cheers MC



Hay smrt ass,

Ets My Spelling Chequer

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.


Joe

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Chilli con

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:
Are you saying he's really that dense? (did you like the crane typo?)

Cheers MC

Yes and yes. What kind of carne do you use to flip them?

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Well you are really losing the plot there Joe.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"katysails" wrote in message ...

My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as

they do it themselves.

Interpretation for Jow: MC has kitty cats that flip all by
themselves...



News for Kayt: I understood his reference to his kitty cat.
I thought MC bought a catamaran. Maybe that Per. Whatever!

Joe

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Good. Any window geater than 9" in 1/4 lexan has to have storm boards to
go cat 1. Ella has the correct window aspect for cat 1 -being a true
blue water cruiser racer she was of course designed with big seas in mind.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message ...



A window of that area in 1/4 lexan look woefully under strength. When a
big wave hits it will pop out. You need storm shutters...



Might look that way from the outside but not the inside. Steel D beam
makes the big window actually 2 windows from the inside, you just
can't see that from the outside because of the dark lexan. I do have
shields for the front windows.

Joe



My cat's flip alol the time. They've never need a carne to right them as
they do it themselves.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message ...


Don't take her into the ocean. Those huge 'windows' won't make it.

Cheers MC


To late, RedCloud made it across the Atlantic 3 times, And thats when
the windows were glass. Now they are 1/4 inch lexan.

Dont take that dangerious Cat of yours to far from a crane. YOU WILL
NEED IT WHEN YOU FLIP OVER.

Joe







Joe wrote:



(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...



What's a few best liveaboard sailing vessels, under 55 feet and under 300K on
the used market?


Capt RB



I would build a steel hull like this one:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

Sleeps six, but perfect for 2 to live on. Strong enough that even you
will feel safe out in the deep water. Long cruising range, room for a
party in the cockpit and you all stay dry. Small enough to single
hand, yet large enough to be comfortable.

You can also buy some nice kits from Bruce Roberts.

Here in the marina is a sweet 62 foot aluminum ketch, But it's 335K.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Chilli con

Glad it's your litter box and not mine....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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GRP have elasticity to the yield point which is where the glass fibres
delam or break. You can BS us with your lack of knowlege about FRP

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

You're welcome!

RB


Read the words Bubbles "HOLE"!!

I'm aware of your point. I was just expanding the term as well as the very
limited understanding of FG currently present in the group.
You can't always see a hole. Flexed FG is filled with holes on a macroscopic
level.

RB

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Well OK but even a sailing philistine should recognise beauty!

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

Nice? Marvellous! Beautiful! Excellent! MC goes off mumbling...

Cheers MC

You'll have to excuse LP...she is not a sailor...yet....so doesn't know what she's looking at....yet....

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GRP have elasticity to the yield point which is where the glass fibres
delam or break.

Wrong. Fibers are compromised with ANY degree of flex. ANY. Look it up or ask
someone who understands why it can take flexing and still retain much of it's
strength.

RB