I'm gonna do it
 

The Internet is a dangerous place. It's led me to a '73 Ericson
29. Baring unforseen circumstances, I plan to make a (mostly)
full price offer this coming Saturday. I've called the marina at
Hood River Oregon, and they have plenty of space. All I'll need
to do is find someone to help me sail her home from Portland.

I'm gonna do it
 

Welcome to the gnarly fray. I hope we contributed to your demise.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

I'm gonna do it
 

Have you much experience? Get charts of the entire area, and ask around for
local information at Portland. It really shouldn't take a lot to go from
Portland to Hood River, the only problem place I see are the Bonneville
locks. I am sure that the attendants would be glad to assist if you were to
explain a few days before hand. I would plan to motorsail, using just the
main, unless the weather were dead calm, then I might hoist a jib just to
get a feel were I bit of a newbie. I would love to help, but I am in
Michigan, That has to be one of the prettiest cruises on Earth, that part of
the Columbia.
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...


The Internet is a dangerous place. It's led me to a '73 Ericson
29. Baring unforseen circumstances, I plan to make a (mostly)
full price offer this coming Saturday. I've called the marina at
Hood River Oregon, and they have plenty of space. All I'll need
to do is find someone to help me sail her home from Portland.

I'm gonna do it
 

Can you sail?

Cheers MC

Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote:


The Internet is a dangerous place. It's led me to a '73 Ericson
29. Baring unforseen circumstances, I plan to make a (mostly)
full price offer this coming Saturday. I've called the marina at
Hood River Oregon, and they have plenty of space. All I'll need
to do is find someone to help me sail her home from Portland.

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:20:27 GMT, something compelled "The
Carrolls" , to say:

Have you much experience?

I had a San Juan 21 for a few years, and I sailed a Catalina 22 a
few times when I was in the Navy in Long Beach CA. I sailed the
SJ21 on an inland mountain lake in Southern Oregon. The wind
there was generally about fifteen miles per hour and fluky.
Single handed her mostly; I did all right. Entered her into one
race and had the best view in the fleet. Everyone else was in
front.

Get charts of the entire area, and ask around for
local information at Portland. It really shouldn't take a lot to go from
Portland to Hood River, the only problem place I see are the Bonneville
locks. I am sure that the attendants would be glad to assist if you were to
explain a few days before hand.

There are three times during the day when pleasure craft can use
the locks. The Army Corps of Engineers put up a website about
how to use the locks, and it looks pretty simple. If I buy the
boat, I may stop in at Bonneville and ask around.

I would plan to motorsail, using just the
main, unless the weather were dead calm, then I might hoist a jib just to
get a feel were I bit of a newbie.

She has a jib and three genoas. I was figuring on using just the
jib and main until I got the feel of 'er. She also has a
spinnaker, which is a sail I've *never* used, and most certainly
won't this trip.

The wind is mostly dead this time of year anyway. It's very
likely I'll have to use the motor most of the way just because of
that. I'll bring extra gas.

I would love to help, but I am in
Michigan, That has to be one of the prettiest cruises on Earth, that part of
the Columbia.

No doubt. And once over the bar at Astoria (the USCG has its
search and rescue school in Astoria, because it has some of the
most consistently bad conditions anywhere. Crossing the Columbia
River Bar is not for the meek, although if you don't have a bad
case of HUA it can be done safely) you can head north to the San
Juan islands, Vancouver/Victoria, and British Columbia.

Yep. Sucks to be me.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
.. .


The Internet is a dangerous place. It's led me to a '73 Ericson
29. Baring unforseen circumstances, I plan to make a (mostly)
full price offer this coming Saturday. I've called the marina at
Hood River Oregon, and they have plenty of space. All I'll need
to do is find someone to help me sail her home from Portland.

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:42:58 +1300, something compelled
The_navigator? , to say:

Can you sail?

Sure.

I'm gonna do it
 

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it, but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it is
something that you should address not just something you want to, save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:20:27 GMT, something compelled "The
Carrolls" , to say:

Have you much experience?

I had a San Juan 21 for a few years, and I sailed a Catalina 22 a
few times when I was in the Navy in Long Beach CA. I sailed the
SJ21 on an inland mountain lake in Southern Oregon. The wind
there was generally about fifteen miles per hour and fluky.
Single handed her mostly; I did all right. Entered her into one
race and had the best view in the fleet. Everyone else was in
front.

Get charts of the entire area, and ask around for
local information at Portland. It really shouldn't take a lot to go from
Portland to Hood River, the only problem place I see are the Bonneville
locks. I am sure that the attendants would be glad to assist if you were
to
explain a few days before hand.

There are three times during the day when pleasure craft can use
the locks. The Army Corps of Engineers put up a website about
how to use the locks, and it looks pretty simple. If I buy the
boat, I may stop in at Bonneville and ask around.

I would plan to motorsail, using just the
main, unless the weather were dead calm, then I might hoist a jib just to
get a feel were I bit of a newbie.

She has a jib and three genoas. I was figuring on using just the
jib and main until I got the feel of 'er. She also has a
spinnaker, which is a sail I've *never* used, and most certainly
won't this trip.

The wind is mostly dead this time of year anyway. It's very
likely I'll have to use the motor most of the way just because of
that. I'll bring extra gas.

I would love to help, but I am in
Michigan, That has to be one of the prettiest cruises on Earth, that part
of
the Columbia.

No doubt. And once over the bar at Astoria (the USCG has its
search and rescue school in Astoria, because it has some of the
most consistently bad conditions anywhere. Crossing the Columbia
River Bar is not for the meek, although if you don't have a bad
case of HUA it can be done safely) you can head north to the San
Juan islands, Vancouver/Victoria, and British Columbia.

Yep. Sucks to be me.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
.. .


The Internet is a dangerous place. It's led me to a '73 Ericson
29. Baring unforseen circumstances, I plan to make a (mostly)
full price offer this coming Saturday. I've called the marina at
Hood River Oregon, and they have plenty of space. All I'll need
to do is find someone to help me sail her home from Portland.

I'm gonna do it
 

but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok.


Holy crap.

RB

I'm gonna do it
 

I usually don't make fun of other people's religion, but this does seem a bit bizarre to
me. What kind of worship services do you attend? Do you have a special shrine set aside
for your personal devotions? What in particular attracted you to this rather arcane
veneration?

"Bobsprit" wrote:

Holy crap.

RB

I'm gonna do it
 

I usually don't make fun of other people's religion,

Somehow I doubt that.

RB

I'm gonna do it
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I usually don't make fun of other people's religion,

Somehow I doubt that.

What makes you say that? Have I ever made a disparaging remark about any religion here?

I'm gonna do it
 

I don't think he has a shrine set up (although it wouldn't surprise me). I
think he just blesses it and sprinkles it with holy water.

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:55 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote:

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it, but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it is
something that you should address not just something you want to, save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll

I think I know what you mean.

It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

Steve,

There's nothing wrong with an alcohol stove. It certainly
is much safer than heavier-than-air, explosive propane.

There's nothing wrong with gate valves either provided
they are not the cheap Chinese variety.

S.Simon - currently using a 13-year-old gate valve at
the galley sink drain. It ain't broke so why
replace it. Have replaced the other gate
valves with ball valves over the years when
they broke.

Also using a Homestrand pressure alcohol
stove that I"m very happy with.

http://www.homestead.com/captneal/index.html


"Steve Daniels" wrote in message ...
It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:11:18 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Steve,

There's nothing wrong with an alcohol stove. It certainly
is much safer than heavier-than-air, explosive propane.

It's all about how you use your tools. She's got a Universal Atomic 4
for power, so blowing out the bilges is going to be a more or less
frequent occurrence. I could just as easily run the blower for five
minutes before lighting the stove. That, and topside ventilated
storage of the cylinder with a shutoff valve that is only opened when
the gas is in use, I think you'd be ok. I'd also like to check into a
propane cabin heater (unless there are CO issues, one of the things
I'd have to check out. I'd assume not, or there would be warnings all
over the cooktops and ovens) and barbecue.

There's nothing wrong with gate valves either provided
they are not the cheap Chinese variety.

They've been in service for thirty one years now, so they are probably
ok. I don't think Ericson has a reputation for using cheap parts,
especially in a safety role such as this. But I'm attracted to the
Shut It NOW! features of a ball valve, plus there is a visual cue as
to whether it's shut or not. Makes that final look around before
leaving it tied up at the slip a little easier.

But like I said, I'm not going to install them until I have her hauled
for something else.

I'm gonna do it
 

I would never, ever buy a boat without a survey. No way, no how. And this boat is 30
years old? What will the brokerage do if the day after you buy it you find the deck is
soggy and has to be rebuilt? Will they smile and refund $5000 to do the job? I think
not! Unless you're getting this dirt cheap, I mean a few thousand dollars or less, you
need a survey. Even if the boat passes with no major problems, it will be worth the
several hundred bucks for the education. And the prioritized worklist it will generate
will save you a fortune in the long run.

And when you pick a surveyor, do not accept the one recommended by the broker. Their
purpose in the process is not to protect you, but to facilitate mortgages and insurance.
Find one that won't mind telling you to walk away if the boat isn't up to snuff.


"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:55 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote:

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it, but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it is
something that you should address not just something you want to, save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll

I think I know what you mean.

It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

Bologna! One does not need a professional survey on an old
used, and inexpensive boat. Save that for the newer ones that
cost an arm and a leg.

The fact is anyone (even you, Jeff) who has some experience
with boats should know what to look for. How hard is it
to stomp around on deck? How hard is it to look for blisters
on the bottom? How hard is it to apprise the mast and rigging?
How hard is it to survey the sails, anchors and other gear?

Not very!

Do you hire a surveyor when you buy a used car?
I think not. The most anyone does is get a mechanic to look
at the brakes and do a compression check and people are
paying more for cars than for older used boats.

Surveyors are unnecessary on older boats thirty feet and
under - that's the straight skinny.

S. Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
I would never, ever buy a boat without a survey. No way, no how. And this boat is 30
years old? What will the brokerage do if the day after you buy it you find the deck is
soggy and has to be rebuilt? Will they smile and refund $5000 to do the job? I think
not! Unless you're getting this dirt cheap, I mean a few thousand dollars or less, you
need a survey. Even if the boat passes with no major problems, it will be worth the
several hundred bucks for the education. And the prioritized worklist it will generate
will save you a fortune in the long run.

And when you pick a surveyor, do not accept the one recommended by the broker. Their
purpose in the process is not to protect you, but to facilitate mortgages and insurance.
Find one that won't mind telling you to walk away if the boat isn't up to snuff.


"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:55 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote:

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it, but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it is
something that you should address not just something you want to, save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll

I think I know what you mean.

It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

Not true at all. Buying a used car for thousands of dollars
without first getting it checked by a reliable mechanic not
associated with the transaction is worth the money. The same
goes for a boat. The surveyor does a more thorough job of
inspecting the boat that the perspective owner could do in the
short time available. In addition, since she would be uninterested
third party, you'll get an honest, no-dream-struck opinion of
the boat. In the process, you'll learn a heck of a lot about the
boat, which assuming it passes muster, will be quite valuable
after the purchase. If it doesn't pass muster, the owner also
benefits, since she will get a detailed list of the problems.

As far as cars go, I considered buying a used car and fortunately
took it to a mechanic friend (I used to work on cars also, so I
know a thing or three about cars). He found structural problems
that were hidden by paint. He found a bent frame that was not
obvious. Saved me thousands just because I bothered to get
a second opinion.

The only reason I didn't get a survey on my Cal 20 before
purchase was because it was basically free. I enjoyed fixing
the problems, I had plenty of time to do it myself, and I learned a
lot along the way.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Bologna! One does not need a professional survey on an old
used, and inexpensive boat. Save that for the newer ones that
cost an arm and a leg.

The fact is anyone (even you, Jeff) who has some experience
with boats should know what to look for. How hard is it
to stomp around on deck? How hard is it to look for blisters
on the bottom? How hard is it to apprise the mast and rigging?
How hard is it to survey the sails, anchors and other gear?

Not very!

Do you hire a surveyor when you buy a used car?
I think not. The most anyone does is get a mechanic to look
at the brakes and do a compression check and people are
paying more for cars than for older used boats.

Surveyors are unnecessary on older boats thirty feet and
under - that's the straight skinny.

S. Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I would never, ever buy a boat without a survey. No way, no how. And
this boat is 30
years old? What will the brokerage do if the day after you buy it you
find the deck is
soggy and has to be rebuilt? Will they smile and refund $5000 to do the
job? I think
not! Unless you're getting this dirt cheap, I mean a few thousand
dollars or less, you
need a survey. Even if the boat passes with no major problems, it will
be worth the
several hundred bucks for the education. And the prioritized worklist
it will generate
will save you a fortune in the long run.

And when you pick a surveyor, do not accept the one recommended by the
broker. Their
purpose in the process is not to protect you, but to facilitate
mortgages and insurance.
Find one that won't mind telling you to walk away if the boat isn't up
to snuff.


"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:55 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote:

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you
will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely
wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it,
but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I
bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way
around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be
time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it
is
something that you should address not just something you want to,
save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good
luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll

I think I know what you mean.

It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

I'd go along with holding off till convenient to replace the gate valves
if they are still fine, but at the earliest convenience, replace them.
Gates have a tendency to leak due to a number of reasons, and older ones
can have the gate fall off the stem due to wear.



It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
I'd go along with holding off till convenient to replace the gate valves
if they are still fine, but at the earliest convenience, replace them.
Gates have a tendency to leak due to a number of reasons, and older ones
can have the gate fall off the stem due to wear.


True but they fail safe. When the stem breaks as is often the case the
gate falls and closes the valve. This is the ideal situation for a thru-hull
valve to fail safe. A ball valve will never fail safe.

S.Simon

I'm gonna do it
 

Nonsense. I would agree if this was a $3000 boat, but the asking price could be as high as
$15-$20K. The OP said he would be offering near asking, and this was a high quality broker - I can
only assume the price is fairly high. It may even be worth the price, but only if there are no
problems.

I've seen good surveyors find nasty water intrusion in the cockpit based on a small unexplained rust
spot away from the leak. I've seen blisters uncovered when they were hidden by fresh bottom paint.

The only time a boat can be bought without a survey is if the price is so low you can literally
throw it away. I can understand, however, why you think this applies to all boats under 30 feet.
It certainly would apply to yours.

--
-jeff

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Bologna! One does not need a professional survey on an old
used, and inexpensive boat. Save that for the newer ones that
cost an arm and a leg.

The fact is anyone (even you, Jeff) who has some experience
with boats should know what to look for. How hard is it
to stomp around on deck? How hard is it to look for blisters
on the bottom? How hard is it to apprise the mast and rigging?
How hard is it to survey the sails, anchors and other gear?

Not very!

Do you hire a surveyor when you buy a used car?
I think not. The most anyone does is get a mechanic to look
at the brakes and do a compression check and people are
paying more for cars than for older used boats.

Surveyors are unnecessary on older boats thirty feet and
under - that's the straight skinny.

S. Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I would never, ever buy a boat without a survey. No way, no how. And this boat is 30
years old? What will the brokerage do if the day after you buy it you find the deck is
soggy and has to be rebuilt? Will they smile and refund $5000 to do the job? I think
not! Unless you're getting this dirt cheap, I mean a few thousand dollars or less, you
need a survey. Even if the boat passes with no major problems, it will be worth the
several hundred bucks for the education. And the prioritized worklist it will generate
will save you a fortune in the long run.

And when you pick a surveyor, do not accept the one recommended by the broker. Their
purpose in the process is not to protect you, but to facilitate mortgages and insurance.
Find one that won't mind telling you to walk away if the boat isn't up to snuff.


"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:55 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote:

You have enough experience. you have done a bit of homework also, you will
do fine. Just remember the guy you buy this boat from most likely wasn't
afraid to use it as is, you may find things you dont like about it, but
don't get cought up in fixing things that are actually ok. When I bought my
boat, it was in Grand haven MI , and I live in Monroe, all the way around.
There were things I worried about and adressed that turned out to be time
and money wasted. Just make sure when you fix or replace something it is
something that you should address not just something you want to, save the
want to untill you need to or have time and money later. IMHO Good luck,
Good sailing Wes Carroll

I think I know what you mean.

It has a alcohol stove that I'd like to swap out for propane, but I
notice that a lot of people are using alcohol stoves with little to no
difficulty. This boat has gate valves at the thru hulls, and I'd like
to swap those out for quarter twist ball valves, but I'm not going to
do a special haul out just for that.

If I can get her surveyed for a couple of hundred bucks, I think I'll
have that done, if for no other reason than to have a list of things
to work on later. It's being sold by a brokerage, and it looks like
they only list reasonably good quality boats.

I'm gonna do it
 

Not always a good thing, if it happens to be your cooling water for your
engine, or in the case of a fuel line, and it's not necessarily an easy fix.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...

I'd go along with holding off till convenient to replace the gate valves
if they are still fine, but at the earliest convenience, replace them.
Gates have a tendency to leak due to a number of reasons, and older ones
can have the gate fall off the stem due to wear.



True but they fail safe. When the stem breaks as is often the case the
gate falls and closes the valve. This is the ideal situation for a thru-hull
valve to fail safe. A ball valve will never fail safe.

S.Simon

I'm gonna do it
 

Can ytoui passage plan and act as skipper. what quilifications do you hold?

Cheers MC

Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:42:58 +1300, something compelled
The_navigator? , to say:


Can you sail?


Sure.

I'm gonna do it
 

Try to remember this is a SAILBOAT newsgroup.

I have no thru-hulls for engine cooling water in my
hull. My major concern is to allow water OUT
when it's convenient and NOT to let water in
when it's not.

S.Simon

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...
Not always a good thing, if it happens to be your cooling water for your
engine, or in the case of a fuel line, and it's not necessarily an easy fix.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...

I'd go along with holding off till convenient to replace the gate valves
if they are still fine, but at the earliest convenience, replace them.
Gates have a tendency to leak due to a number of reasons, and older ones
can have the gate fall off the stem due to wear.



True but they fail safe. When the stem breaks as is often the case the
gate falls and closes the valve. This is the ideal situation for a thru-hull
valve to fail safe. A ball valve will never fail safe.

S.Simon

I'm gonna do it
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I have no thru-hulls for engine cooling water in my
| hull. My major concern is to allow water OUT
| when it's convenient and NOT to let water in
| when it's not.

putt... putt... putt
putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

cough... sputter

Sounds like an outboard....

CM

I'm gonna do it
 

He visits it after every meal.... six times a day!

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| I usually don't make fun of other people's religion, but this does seem a
bit bizarre to
| me. What kind of worship services do you attend? Do you have a special
shrine set aside
| for your personal devotions? What in particular attracted you to this
rather arcane
| veneration?
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote:
|
| Holy crap.
|
| RB
|
|

I'm gonna do it
 

Or a homosexual bronchitic with flatulence.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I have no thru-hulls for engine cooling water in my
| hull. My major concern is to allow water OUT
| when it's convenient and NOT to let water in
| when it's not.

putt... putt... putt
putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

putt... putt... putt

cough... sputter

Sounds like an outboard....

CM

I'm gonna do it
 

As long as Neal keeps him strapped to the back of his boat.... ;-)

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Or a homosexual bronchitic with flatulence.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
|
| | I have no thru-hulls for engine cooling water in my
| | hull. My major concern is to allow water OUT
| | when it's convenient and NOT to let water in
| | when it's not.
|
| putt... putt... putt
| putt... putt... putt
|
| putt... putt... putt
|
| putt... putt... putt
|
| putt... putt... putt
|
| putt... putt... putt
|
| cough... sputter
|
| Sounds like an outboard....
|
| CM
|
|
|

I'm gonna do it
 

You show a typical lack of common sense. Simply because YOU don't,
doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't, in this NG.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Try to remember this is a SAILBOAT newsgroup.

I have no thru-hulls for engine cooling water in my
hull. My major concern is to allow water OUT
when it's convenient and NOT to let water in
when it's not.

S.Simon

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...

Not always a good thing, if it happens to be your cooling water for your
engine, or in the case of a fuel line, and it's not necessarily an easy fix.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...


I'd go along with holding off till convenient to replace the gate valves
if they are still fine, but at the earliest convenience, replace them.
Gates have a tendency to leak due to a number of reasons, and older ones
can have the gate fall off the stem due to wear.



True but they fail safe. When the stem breaks as is often the case the
gate falls and closes the valve. This is the ideal situation for a thru-hull
valve to fail safe. A ball valve will never fail safe.

S.Simon

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:46:48 -0400, something compelled "Simple
Simon" , to say:

Bologna! One does not need a professional survey on an old
used, and inexpensive boat. Save that for the newer ones that
cost an arm and a leg.

I couldn't wait for the weekend, so I took a few hours off and
drove in to see her. My impression is that she's basically
solid, but hasn't had any attention paid to her in quite some
time.

It looks like most of the running rigging is sun damaged and will
have to be replaced. There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions, and I'll probably remove all of them and bed
them properly. The tiller is delimitated, but looks good enough
to get home with. I have a friend who likes to work with wood,
and I think we can make a new tiller using the old one for a
pattern.

The engine is clean, and has clean oil in it. The running lights
all work, and the VHF makes static noises when you turn it on.
The blower works.

I offered nine grand subject to survey. It's sat long enough
that I want an objective opinion, and they are going to haul her
and power wash the bottom, which I would want done anyway.
Depending on how that goes, I'll decide if I want the bottom
painted at that time or not. She'll mostly be in fresh water, so
I don't know that bottom paint is all that necessary.

The feeling is that what she really needs is a few weekends with
some fine sandpaper and teak oil, and maybe some paint for the
decks.

I'm gonna do it
 

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:00:57 +1300, something compelled
The_navigator? , to say:

Can ytoui passage plan and act as skipper.

It's a river. You stay between the buoys, watch out for tugs,
and enjoy the view.

what quilifications do you hold?

Reasonable intelligence, no need to prove how brave I am, and an
appreciation for what could happen if . . .

I'm gonna do it
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:30:55 -0700, something compelled "Steve
Daniels, Seek of Spam" , to say:

The feeling is that what she really needs is a few weekends with
some fine sandpaper and teak oil, and maybe some paint for the
decks.

Oh hell, here's what brought me there in the first place.

http://tinyurl.com/qyko

I'm gonna do it
 

There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get =
a moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost =
always means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

I'm gonna do it
 

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.

I'm gonna do it
 

There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

katysails wrote:
Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

Agreed. Check the boat out with a fine tooth comb, Steve! Make sure you lean heavily against all the stanchions, looking closely at the deck around the bases. Flexing or a mushy feel is bad.
Sometimes you even see water squeezing out.

Also, before you make an offer, sit down with a Layline or Defender catalog & figure what a new set of running rigging will cost.... bet you'll be surprised.

Definitely pay to get the boat surveyed. Go to one of the marine surveyor nation'l websites and check around, don't hire the guy the broker recommends. It will be the best investment you can
possibly make.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I'm gonna do it
 

Smart move.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a
moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always
means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.

I'm gonna do it
 

How much are they charging you? We just had one... $12/foot.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a
moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always
means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.

I'm gonna do it
 

Yet another ignorant failure!

That's right, failure. There is no reason in the world
you cannot do your own survey and do a better job
at it than paying some idiot who really doesn't give
a flying crap about your boat.

Get your lazy ass of the the library or get on the
Internet and do some reading. That's all it takes -
a little education.

Geez what PUTZES we have calling themselves
sailors these days.

S.Simon


"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a moisture meter if you're not going to get a
survey...bad gook almost always means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.

I'm gonna do it
 

Dumb waste of money!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Smart move.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a
moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always
means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.

I'm gonna do it
 

Waste of money!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
How much are they charging you? We just had one... $12/foot.

"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:34 -0400, something compelled
"katysails" , to say:


There is some ugly goop around all of the
lifeline stanchions

Warning! Warning! Warning! (as the robot said to Will Robinson...) Get a
moisture meter if you're not going to get a survey...bad gook almost always
means bad leaks, which mweans bad deck....

I've decided to get a survey.