I maintain it is NOT scanty information. Try getting out of
the wheelhouse and opening your ears and you will discover
it's easy to tell the bearing of a vessel giving fog signals. It is
also not too difficult to tell the sound is getting louder (closer).

Look at your radar as required by the Rules and plot positions
and get bearings.

Rule 8 applies in ALL conditions of visibility and it states that
changing course early and largely is often the best way to
avoid a close quarters situation. You would have me create
a close quarters situation with your stupid insistence that
I slow down and remain on the same course. You are
Wrong Wrong Wrong!

Why give signals at all if you're just gonna ignore them
or use them to create close quarters situations?

Huh? Huh? I can't HEAR you!

S.Simon


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: COLREGS - The final word on pecking order in restricted
visibility.
From: "Simple Simon"


It's simple. Information is not scanty when

1) I hear the fog signal of a vessel forward over a period of time and
it's bearing is not changing and the signal is getting louder.

This is scanty information. In truth, the bearing may be opening left or right
or may be steady... by sound alone there is no way to be absolutely sure.

2) I must follow the Rules that states if there is any doubt that a vessel
is on a collision course then assume it is indeed on a collision course.

In which case, follow rule 19 (e)

3) I know Rule 8 states a course change early and pronounced is perhaps
the best way to avoid a close quarters situation so I follow Rule 8 and
change my course early and evidently so as to avoid a close quarters
situation.

Based on scanty information, and not knowing whether your course change will
result in safe passing.

Shen

Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been at
sea in fog.

It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
signal in fog.





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This is correct.... I know since I have fished commercially and sailed
around the Maritimes for many years. You can NOT tell where the sound is
coming from in thick fog... at least not in a precise direction. Port or
Starboard... maybe yes.... bow or stern maybe yes.... distance bearing no
way!

Cappy you're a tropical sailor with limited experience in my sea realm. I've
sailed often in your waters.... you've never sailed in mine. You are in no
position to speak with any authority on fog.... you are merely quoting and
misconstruing second hand information. That's why you can't defend yourself
adequately in this situation.

CM

"Tim Roberts" wrote in message

| It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
| signal in fog.

Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been at
sea in fog.

It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
signal in fog.






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Something else not often mentioned in these threads is that it very difficult to determine
the nature, course and speed of a boat as it first appears through the fog. Neal has
claimed that the instant he sees another vessel he can turn away. The problem is that
such an instantaneous response could be completely wrong.



"Tim Roberts" wrote in message ...
Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been at
sea in fog.

It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
signal in fog.






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Exactly right. It's very difficult to tell without a reference.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Something else not often mentioned in these threads is that it very
difficult to determine
the nature, course and speed of a boat as it first appears through the
fog. Neal has
claimed that the instant he sees another vessel he can turn away. The
problem is that
such an instantaneous response could be completely wrong.



"Tim Roberts" wrote in message
...
Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been
at
sea in fog.

It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
signal in fog.






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No Jeff... it would be completely impossible.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Something else not often mentioned in these threads is that it very
difficult to determine
| the nature, course and speed of a boat as it first appears through the
fog. Neal has
| claimed that the instant he sees another vessel he can turn away. The
problem is that
| such an instantaneous response could be completely wrong.
|
|
|
| "Tim Roberts" wrote in message
...
| Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been
at
| sea in fog.
|
| It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
| signal in fog.
|
|
|
|
|
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Excellent point, but beyond Neal's basic comprehension abilities.

otn

Jeff Morris wrote:

Something else not often mentioned in these threads is that it very difficult to determine
the nature, course and speed of a boat as it first appears through the fog. Neal has
claimed that the instant he sees another vessel he can turn away. The problem is that
such an instantaneous response could be completely wrong.



"Tim Roberts" wrote in message ...

Yet again Simple Simon shows the world that he has never actually been at
sea in fog.

It is NOT easy to tell the bearing of a vessel by just hearing a sound
signal in fog.






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Subject: COLREGS - The final word on pecking order in restricted
visibility.
From: "Simple Simon"


I maintain it is NOT scanty information.

I know you do, but those of us with experience in these conditions, know
better.

Try getting out of
the wheelhouse and opening your ears and you will discover
it's easy to tell the bearing of a vessel giving fog signals. It is
also not too difficult to tell the sound is getting louder (closer).

I see, so .... It couldn't possibly be that the other vessel is turning and
directing his whistle at you, rather than closing on you?

Look at your radar as required by the Rules and plot positions
and get bearings.

Now, now .... you don't have or know how to use radar, so we have always
addressed this as vessels without radar.

Rule 8 applies in ALL conditions of visibility and it states that
changing course early and largely is often the best way to
avoid a close quarters situation. You would have me create
a close quarters situation with your stupid insistence that
I slow down and remain on the same course. You are
Wrong Wrong Wrong!

Not knowing what the other vessel is doing, how do you know you would be
creating a close quarters situation by slowing down? How do you know you
wouldn't be creating a close quarters situation by changing course?
Stupid, stupid,stupid


Why give signals at all if you're just gonna ignore them
or use them to create close quarters situations?

Huh? Huh? I can't HEAR you!

You are SUCH an ignorant, incompetent, BUFFOON !


Shen