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Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the
depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large
whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water:
http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the
chart of the area. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water: http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/06/2003 17:25 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the chart of the area. S.Simon It's post like this which confirm Neal's lack of experience and amateur status regarding navigation and actual, at sea time. Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Is there some meaning to this statement? It sounds like gibberish to me!
-jeff "If nautical nonsense is something you wish/Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish!" "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the chart of the area. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water: http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
There have been numerous whale sightings in 20' of water and within 1 mile
of City Island NY. SV "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water: http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Huh?? What planet are you on?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the chart of the area. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water: http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Hay, you said " I don't ;ike to see readings on my depth sounder for
extended periods of time,..." I guess you also deserve to be attacked. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Good Morning Simple,
Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Booby doesn't count. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... There have been numerous whale sightings in 20' of water and within 1 mile of City Island NY. SV "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These pictures were taken in Stellwagen Bank in about 60 feet of water: http://www.sv-loki.com/whales/ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Good memory but that statement does not mean I don't simply
turn the thing off when off-soundings. What's the use of having a depth sounder on when all it shows is no bottom? S.Simon "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Hay, you said " I don't ;ike to see readings on my depth sounder for extended periods of time,..." I guess you also deserve to be attacked. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody running a depth sounder in water deep enough for large whales deserves to be attacked. S.Simon "Sidney Greenstreet" wrote in message ink.net... Sydney: Marine electronics technician A.E. Patterson has discovered that the depth finder used aboard a sailboat that was attacked by a whale was faulty and may have provoked the whale into attacking the craft. Marine biologist Ian McDonald said the sounds from the defective transducer mimicked those of a territorial whale. Patterson added the transducer may have given faulty depth readings as well. Yacht skipper Geoff Whitlam said he noticed no malfunction of the unit at all and remarked that at the time of the attack the head was clogged and being unplugged. Tommy Woodcock, aboard and unclogging the head at the time of attack added that the sound of the pumping unit was quite strange as it was filled with toilet paper and a unusually large grogen. "The grogen had fermented for about a day in the escape chute" Woodcock asserted. "Perhaps the aquatic mammal recognized the yacht as a whale giving birth to a mutated offspring and acted accordingly". "Needless to say, it'll be a while before I patronize Rachel Carson's tuck shop, I couldn't stomach strolling about with a trolley load of Aussie pies and vegemide". |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as
rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth sounder. S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/06/2003 17:25 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the chart of the area. S.Simon It's post like this which confirm Neal's lack of experience and amateur status regarding navigation and actual, at sea time. Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
And, good morning to you, sir!
With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth sounder. S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in .... by itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, gleaned from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will help give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the recording). Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, ones position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't understand it's use .... but expected ..... Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the way from Bermuda to
Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several hours before they grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were dangerously off course. Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied souly on GPS, but always verify position with soundings or bearings. http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
A fishfinder gives the info you describe and they're less expensive
than a digital readout depth sounder. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth sounder. S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/06/2003 17:25 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In sixty feet of water a depth sounder tells you less than the chart of the area. S.Simon It's post like this which confirm Neal's lack of experience and amateur status regarding navigation and actual, at sea time. Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
You should not rely on a GPS when using a chart. It's a tool
only. It tells you nothing about your actual position relative to actual obstructions. Charts are notoriously inaccurate and don't match long/lat info. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor
boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship. Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave action, shape, etc. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual clues of sea state, color of water, etc. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the way from Bermuda to Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several hours before they grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were dangerously off course. Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied souly on GPS, but always verify position with soundings or bearings. http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on a flat? Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with high degrees of accuracy. Knowing your depth is very vague information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth sounders as much as big ships. When a small sailing yacht is getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth sounder. S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in .... by itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, gleaned from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will help give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the recording). Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, ones position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't understand it's use .... but expected ..... Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Once again, you demonstrate very limited experience.
There are many locations where its not possible to avoid hazards just by looking at the water. This may be possible in the Keys or Bahamas (up to a point) but not in New England or the Chesapeake. Most of the hard groundings I've witnessed could have been avoided if more attention had be paid to the depth sounder. For example, Boston Harbor has only one non-obvious hazard near the main channel, Lower Middle. You can't get close to it without going through 100 yards of shallow water, yet someone whacks it every week. The Irwin 30 I sailed for a season hit it the next year at 6.5 knots in a GPS assisted incident. The rudder was broken and the engine was knocked off its mounts. Neal, if you want to call yourself a "real sailor" you'll have to come up to New England to complete your education. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship. Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave action, shape, etc. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual clues of sea state, color of water, etc. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the way from Bermuda to Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several hours before they grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were dangerously off course. Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied souly on GPS, but always verify position with soundings or bearings. http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
"Simple Simon" wrote in message | Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water | and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave | action, shape, etc. This type of ridiculous comment can only be attributed to a tropical backwater daysailor with severely limited experience and absolutely no clue as to sea states North or South of the tropics. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument | of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while | the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual | clues of sea state, color of water, etc. I never ran aground while operating without a sounder because I carried a lead line and exercised extreme caution knowing the my limitations and those of my vessel. Unknown harbour ... verify chart soundings, enter dead slow, split the entries 50/50 or favour the steep topography by 60/40. Once you've been in... you can sail back in under full press in a gale and really wow the rubber neckers moored inside. CM |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
I was born in Somerville, Mass. I lived there until I was ten years
old - old enough to realize I never want to go back there again. ANY water shallow enough to ground my boat will be evident without a depth sounder. If nothing else all I have to do is watch for wading birds. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Once again, you demonstrate very limited experience. There are many locations where its not possible to avoid hazards just by looking at the water. This may be possible in the Keys or Bahamas (up to a point) but not in New England or the Chesapeake. Most of the hard groundings I've witnessed could have been avoided if more attention had be paid to the depth sounder. For example, Boston Harbor has only one non-obvious hazard near the main channel, Lower Middle. You can't get close to it without going through 100 yards of shallow water, yet someone whacks it every week. The Irwin 30 I sailed for a season hit it the next year at 6.5 knots in a GPS assisted incident. The rudder was broken and the engine was knocked off its mounts. Neal, if you want to call yourself a "real sailor" you'll have to come up to New England to complete your education. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship. Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave action, shape, etc. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual clues of sea state, color of water, etc. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the way from Bermuda to Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several hours before they grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were dangerously off course. Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied souly on GPS, but always verify position with soundings or bearings. http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Were did you dig up this crap Jon??? Learn how to enter correct datum and
save yourself further embarrassment. It's a good thing both you and Neal sail in protected waters with line of sight navigation or there would be a lot less boats around. CM "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | You should not rely on a GPS when using a chart. It's a tool | only. It tells you nothing about your actual position relative to | actual obstructions. Charts are notoriously inaccurate and | don't match long/lat info. | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | And, good morning to you, sir! | | With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your | position on a chart is a more accurate method than using | depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. | | S.Simon | | | "Thom Stewart" wrote in message | ... | Good Morning Simple, | | Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders | to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an | accepted practest in DED piloting. | | We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph | wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly | spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice | and dry and warm. | | OT | | | | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Idiots! All there are around here are idiots.
WE'RE NOT TALKING FORWARD LOOKING SONAR HERE. Stop trying to change the subject. We're talking about how depth sounders are useless in very deep water and a lot of the time in shallow water. S.Simon "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... This ain't big ship.... http://www.interphase-tech.com/probe.htm or this..... http://www.interphase-tech.com/seascout.htm CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | | I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! | | Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are | pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a | vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on | a flat? Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with | high degrees of accuracy. Knowing your depth is very vague | information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. | | Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth | sounders as much as big ships. When a small sailing yacht is | getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced | will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able | to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. | | Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. | | S.Simon | | "Shen44" wrote in message ... | Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! | From: "Simple Simon" | Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time | Message-id: | | Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as | rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and | the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth | sounder. | | S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . | | Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. | A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in .... by | itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, gleaned | from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. | A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will help | give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the | recording). | Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, | fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, ones | position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. | It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't understand it's | use .... but expected ..... | | Shen | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Sorry... didn't mean to step on your last raw nerve.....
Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa You're the one claimed depth sounders won't give you contours. I proved you wrong... deal with it. CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | Idiots! All there are around here are idiots. | | WE'RE NOT TALKING FORWARD LOOKING SONAR HERE. | | Stop trying to change the subject. We're talking about how | depth sounders are useless in very deep water and a lot of | the time in shallow water. | | S.Simon | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... | This ain't big ship.... | | http://www.interphase-tech.com/probe.htm | | or this..... | | http://www.interphase-tech.com/seascout.htm | | CM | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! | | | | Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are | | pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a | | vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on | | a flat? Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with | | high degrees of accuracy. Knowing your depth is very vague | | information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. | | | | Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth | | sounders as much as big ships. When a small sailing yacht is | | getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced | | will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able | | to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. | | | | Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. | | | | S.Simon | | | | "Shen44" wrote in message | ... | | Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! | | From: "Simple Simon" | | Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time | | Message-id: | | | | Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as | | rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and | | the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth | | sounder. | | | | S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . | | | | Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. | | A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in | .... by | | itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, | gleaned | | from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. | | A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will | help | | give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the | | recording). | | Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, | | fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, | ones | | position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. | | It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't | understand it's | | use .... but expected ..... | | | | Shen | | | | | | | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Wow! Neal grew up in Slummerville! That explains a lot.
Somerville is the ultimate working class 'burb. In Neal's day it was one of the most densely populated cities in the country. It was 98% Catholic and covered entirely by tightly packed three-deckers. Its become a bit gentrified of late, as it became an inexpensive alternative to Cambridge. I lived for many years on the Cambridge side of the line, and still visit often. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I was born in Somerville, Mass. I lived there until I was ten years old - old enough to realize I never want to go back there again. ANY water shallow enough to ground my boat will be evident without a depth sounder. If nothing else all I have to do is watch for wading birds. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Once again, you demonstrate very limited experience. There are many locations where its not possible to avoid hazards just by looking at the water. This may be possible in the Keys or Bahamas (up to a point) but not in New England or the Chesapeake. Most of the hard groundings I've witnessed could have been avoided if more attention had be paid to the depth sounder. For example, Boston Harbor has only one non-obvious hazard near the main channel, Lower Middle. You can't get close to it without going through 100 yards of shallow water, yet someone whacks it every week. The Irwin 30 I sailed for a season hit it the next year at 6.5 knots in a GPS assisted incident. The rudder was broken and the engine was knocked off its mounts. Neal, if you want to call yourself a "real sailor" you'll have to come up to New England to complete your education. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship. Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave action, shape, etc. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual clues of sea state, color of water, etc. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the way from Bermuda to Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several hours before they grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were dangerously off course. Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied souly on GPS, but always verify position with soundings or bearings. http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And, good morning to you, sir! With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your position on a chart is a more accurate method than using depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good Morning Simple, Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an accepted practest in DED piloting. We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice and dry and warm. OT |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Hey stupid, forward looking sonar and depth sounders are two
different categories of instruments. You're becomming more stupid than some of the regular idiots around here and that's saying a lot . . . S.Simon "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Sorry... didn't mean to step on your last raw nerve..... Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa You're the one claimed depth sounders won't give you contours. I proved you wrong... deal with it. CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | Idiots! All there are around here are idiots. | | WE'RE NOT TALKING FORWARD LOOKING SONAR HERE. | | Stop trying to change the subject. We're talking about how | depth sounders are useless in very deep water and a lot of | the time in shallow water. | | S.Simon | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... | This ain't big ship.... | | http://www.interphase-tech.com/probe.htm | | or this..... | | http://www.interphase-tech.com/seascout.htm | | CM | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! | | | | Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are | | pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a | | vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on | | a flat? Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with | | high degrees of accuracy. Knowing your depth is very vague | | information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. | | | | Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth | | sounders as much as big ships. When a small sailing yacht is | | getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced | | will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able | | to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. | | | | Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. | | | | S.Simon | | | | "Shen44" wrote in message | ... | | Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! | | From: "Simple Simon" | | Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time | | Message-id: | | | | Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as | | rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and | | the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth | | sounder. | | | | S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . | | | | Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. | | A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in | .... by | | itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, | gleaned | | from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. | | A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will | help | | give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the | | recording). | | Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, | | fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, | ones | | position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. | | It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't | understand it's | | use .... but expected ..... | | | | Shen | | | | | | | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Jon has a point. There are certain locations that are notoriously poorly charted,
datum-wise. The ChartKit I have for the Bahamas is way off. I also found that for long stretches of the ICW, my charted position was on dry land. For most of where I sail, however, the GPS and the chart agree to a boat length or better. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Were did you dig up this crap Jon??? Learn how to enter correct datum and save yourself further embarrassment. It's a good thing both you and Neal sail in protected waters with line of sight navigation or there would be a lot less boats around. CM "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | You should not rely on a GPS when using a chart. It's a tool | only. It tells you nothing about your actual position relative to | actual obstructions. Charts are notoriously inaccurate and | don't match long/lat info. | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | And, good morning to you, sir! | | With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your | position on a chart is a more accurate method than using | depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple. | | S.Simon | | | "Thom Stewart" wrote in message | ... | Good Morning Simple, | | Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth finders | to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an | accepted practest in DED piloting. | | We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about 5mph | wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll probabilly | spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into play. Nice | and dry and warm. | | OT | | | | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
No - you said any depth water where a whale might be. I've seen whales maybe 20 times
from my boats - always in water less than 100 feet deep. For you that may sound deep - certainly there are very few spots on the Florida Bay side of the Keys that are over 10 feet deep, but up here its very common to be in 50 feet 5 minutes after getting underway. Its a long tradition around here to make coastal passages by running down the 10, 15 or 20 fathom line. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Idiots! All there are around here are idiots. WE'RE NOT TALKING FORWARD LOOKING SONAR HERE. Stop trying to change the subject. We're talking about how depth sounders are useless in very deep water and a lot of the time in shallow water. S.Simon "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... This ain't big ship.... http://www.interphase-tech.com/probe.htm or this..... http://www.interphase-tech.com/seascout.htm CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | | I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! | | Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are | pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a | vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on | a flat? Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with | high degrees of accuracy. Knowing your depth is very vague | information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. | | Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth | sounders as much as big ships. When a small sailing yacht is | getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced | will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able | to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. | | Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. | | S.Simon | | "Shen44" wrote in message ... | Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!! | From: "Simple Simon" | Date: 10/07/2003 08:10 Pacific Standard Time | Message-id: | | Bull****. A chart shows contours, bottom make up such as | rock, sand, shell etc., possible upcoming obstructions and | the like. This info is simply not available on a yacht depth | sounder. | | S.Simon - not talking about big ship crap here . . . | | Not talking about "big ship crap" .... talking about Navigation. | A chart is nothing more than a "picture" of an area that you may be in .... by | itself, it's useless, until you can start applying other information, gleaned | from other sources to locate yourself in a position on that chart. | A fathometer, be it a recording, digital readout, or blinking light will help | give you information to locate that position (personally, prefer the | recording). | Prior to the advent of all the electronic nav aids, such as LORAN, GPS, | fathometers were much more frequently used to check, and even locate, ones | position on a chart, be it in shallow or deep water. | It's just another tool you have available .... shame you don't understand it's | use .... but expected ..... | | Shen | | |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship. Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave action, shape, etc. What rubbish! I suspect that you sail in crystal clear water...... actually, I suspect that you don't sail at all! Regards Donal -- |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
From: "Simple Simon"
comments intersperses: I repeat, WE'RE NOT TALKING BIG SHIP CRAP HERE! .....and I repeat .... it's NOT big ship crap, it's Navigation .... or is your knowledge in this area as weak as it is in other areas? Depth sounders give a depth for sure and generally they are pretty accurate. However, what good is a depth when a vessel could be any number of miles along a contour or on a flat? Actually, can be a good deal of good if you are following that depth contour to stay clear of an obstruction. Answer - no good at all. What matters is lat/lon with high degrees of accuracy. Wrong answer. Knowing your lat/lon is important (or range and bearing from a known point) .... the degree of accuracy "needed" depends on where you are and where you're going. Knowing your depth is very vague information at best when attempting to place a fix on a chart. Here's where your inexperience becomes most obvious. Using a running update on soundings can and has been used to get some very accurate fixes on a chart. Small sailing yachts can rely on GPS so they do not need depth sounders as much as big ships. Wrong for so many reasons .... for one thing, only a fool relies on one method of navigation when other methods are available to check results .... the instances of this leading to disasters are all too numerous, be it small boat, bigger boat, and/or ship. When a small sailing yacht is getting into dangerously shallow water the eyes of an experienced will look at the wave action, color of the water etc. and be able to ascertain the depth to a high degree of accuracy. Bullcrap .... at best, works only sometimes .... what does your wake tell you? Now, get out of here and go back to rec.boats where you belong. S.Simon LOL Think you belong in a "basic" navigation course .... you've obviously flunked any selftaught or other courses you may have endeavored to pass on this subject. Shen |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
"Shen44" wrote in message ... .. Bullcrap .... at best, works only sometimes .... what does your wake tell you? Snipped all Shen's drivel that does not apply to small sailing yachts because it becomes very tedious to keep trying to explain to a person unfamiliar with sailing over and over and over again. However, I can't resist replying to the above because cabin boy Shen thinks he can trap me with his stupid wake question. Well, Boy Shen, I happen to know motor vessels squat when the water becomes very shallow. Looking at a motorboat wake can tell you if you're fixin' to run aground. However, this has nothing to do with sailboats that are unaffected by this sort of squatting in shallow water because they don't make a wake because of the hull design. Duh! S.Simon |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Neal the Newbie! It was only a few years ago that a sounder was the most advance nav tool
we had. Now you're admitting you don't know how to use one and have know desire to learn. Its beginning to look like Suzanne is really a better navigator than you are! And what's this about "sailboats" don't leave wakes? Are you claiming your boat never leaves a wake? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Shen44" wrote in message ... . Bullcrap .... at best, works only sometimes .... what does your wake tell you? Snipped all Shen's drivel that does not apply to small sailing yachts because it becomes very tedious to keep trying to explain to a person unfamiliar with sailing over and over and over again. However, I can't resist replying to the above because cabin boy Shen thinks he can trap me with his stupid wake question. Well, Boy Shen, I happen to know motor vessels squat when the water becomes very shallow. Looking at a motorboat wake can tell you if you're fixin' to run aground. However, this has nothing to do with sailboats that are unaffected by this sort of squatting in shallow water because they don't make a wake because of the hull design. Duh! S.Simon |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:43:47 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: You should not rely on a GPS when using a chart. It's a tool only. It tells you nothing about your actual position relative to actual obstructions. Charts are notoriously inaccurate and don't match long/lat info. I guess I shouldn't use a road map because sometimes they are inaccurate, and often have the wrong names, dumbass. Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
By definition, a wake is only formed when a boat is exceeding it's
hull speed. Since my sailboat only exceeds her hull speed when surfing down the face of a very large wave and very large waves cannot form is very shallow water, yes, my boat, under sail in moderate winds, cannot exceed her hull speed and make a wake. How can people who claim to be sailors be so uninformed? I expect ignorance out of Cabin Boy Shen but from you I expect a little sailing knowledge or have those multi-hulls completely warped your senses? S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Neal the Newbie! It was only a few years ago that a sounder was the most advance nav tool we had. Now you're admitting you don't know how to use one and have know desire to learn. Its beginning to look like Suzanne is really a better navigator than you are! And what's this about "sailboats" don't leave wakes? Are you claiming your boat never leaves a wake? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Shen44" wrote in message ... . Bullcrap .... at best, works only sometimes .... what does your wake tell you? Snipped all Shen's drivel that does not apply to small sailing yachts because it becomes very tedious to keep trying to explain to a person unfamiliar with sailing over and over and over again. However, I can't resist replying to the above because cabin boy Shen thinks he can trap me with his stupid wake question. Well, Boy Shen, I happen to know motor vessels squat when the water becomes very shallow. Looking at a motorboat wake can tell you if you're fixin' to run aground. However, this has nothing to do with sailboats that are unaffected by this sort of squatting in shallow water because they don't make a wake because of the hull design. Duh! S.Simon |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message | And what's this about "sailboats" don't leave wakes? Are you claiming your boat never | leaves a wake? The currents around his mooring aren't fast enough to cause a wake.... CM |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
My My My..... here I thought it was simply the the effect of displaced
water. CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | By definition, a wake is only formed when a boat is exceeding it's | hull speed. Since my sailboat only exceeds her hull speed when | surfing down the face of a very large wave and very large waves | cannot form is very shallow water, yes, my boat, under sail in | moderate winds, cannot exceed her hull speed and make a wake. | | How can people who claim to be sailors be so uninformed? | I expect ignorance out of Cabin Boy Shen but from you I | expect a little sailing knowledge or have those multi-hulls | completely warped your senses? |
Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
Subject: Faulty depth finder attributed to whale attack!!
From: "Simple Simon" "Shen44" wrote in message Bullcrap .... at best, works only sometimes .... what does your wake tell you? Snipped all Shen's drivel that does not apply to small sailing yachts because it becomes very tedious to keep trying to explain to a person unfamiliar with sailing over and over and over again. LOL You snipped it, NOT because it didn't apply to small sailing yachts, but PURELY because you did not understand it and it's usefulness and application to small sailing yachts, due to your inexperience and limited intelligence to apply it to small sailing yachts. However, I can't resist replying to the above because cabin boy Shen thinks he can trap me with his stupid wake question. .....and trap you he did..... Well, Boy Shen, I happen to know motor vessels squat when the water becomes very shallow. Looking at a motorboat wake can tell you if you're fixin' to run aground. However, this has nothing to do with sailboats that are unaffected by this sort of squatting in shallow water because they don't make a wake because of the hull design. Duh! S.Simon LOL ..... ROFL ..... ROFLMAO ..... Actually, your boat would probably run aground before the wake showed shallow water, due to your keel (once again shows limited experience with only one sail hull) and I doubt you'd know what to look for, anyway. BTW .... motor vessels, squat, whether the water is shallow or deep..... the squat, itself, doesn't give the warning, as much as the wake .... but that's beyond your limited understanding, intelligence, experience, capabilities, etc.. Shen |
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