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The_navigator© October 6th 03 01:21 AM

Crew lost!
 

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC


katysails October 6th 03 02:28 AM

Crew lost!
 
I'm so sorry, MC....but you did the right thing...get a new playmate for =
her brother so he doesn't feel so bereft.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Sidney Greenstreet October 6th 03 03:34 AM

Crew lost!
 
Is that socialist health care system down there so bad you couldn't have put
her in a nursing home or hospice?



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never

answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC




Thom Stewart October 6th 03 04:20 AM

Crew lost!
 
Nav,

Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that can
only be felt but never explained.

Sorry friend

Ole Thom


Lady Pilot October 6th 03 06:03 AM

Crew lost!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for

her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never

answer.

Sorry about your cat, Nav. You didn't mention how long you had her?

LP (animal lover)



Horvath October 6th 03 12:02 PM

Crew lost!
 
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT), (Thom
Stewart) wrote this crap:

Nav,

Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that can
only be felt but never explained.



I could never understand beastiality.
The whacko liberals will try to legalize this, next.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn,booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Joe October 6th 03 03:40 PM

Crew lost!
 
The_navigator© wrote in message ...
My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC



Sorry to hear of your loss MC.

Terry & I had to put Simone our little dog to sleep after having him
for 20 + years.

Something we should of done for him a few years earlier.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

Jonathan Ganz October 6th 03 07:11 PM

Crew lost!
 
Horass, do you have any idea how much this makes you sound like a
freakazoid???

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT), (Thom
Stewart) wrote this crap:

Nav,

Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that can
only be felt but never explained.



I could never understand beastiality.
The whacko liberals will try to legalize this, next.



Hero@Horvath


So that's how you pay for your beastiality encounters...

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on "women," porn,booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.




Edgar Cove October 6th 03 07:24 PM

Crew lost!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never

answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC


Are you saying that you pushed her overboard in the middle of the night?



The_navigator© October 6th 03 09:05 PM

Crew lost!
 
The new playmate is here (Burmese) but Oscar is bent right out of shape.
I can't leave them together -yet.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

I'm so sorry, MC....but you did the right thing...get a new playmate for her brother so he doesn't feel so bereft.



The_navigator© October 6th 03 09:06 PM

Crew lost!
 
Thanks Thom.

MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

Nav,

Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that can
only be felt but never explained.

Sorry friend

Ole Thom



The_navigator© October 6th 03 09:06 PM

Crew lost!
 
3 months.

Cheers MC

Lady Pilot wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote:

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for


her

for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never


answer.

Sorry about your cat, Nav. You didn't mention how long you had her?

LP (animal lover)




The_navigator© October 6th 03 09:06 PM

Crew lost!
 
Thanks Joe

MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message ...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC




Sorry to hear of your loss MC.

Terry & I had to put Simone our little dog to sleep after having him
for 20 + years.

Something we should of done for him a few years earlier.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



The_navigator© October 6th 03 09:07 PM

Crew lost!
 
Comprehension: 0/10

Cheers MC

Edgar Cove wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never


answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC



Are you saying that you pushed her overboard in the middle of the night?




Simple Simon October 6th 03 09:54 PM

Crew lost!
 
What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC




Scott Vernon October 6th 03 10:22 PM

Crew lost!
 
If it's another stupid cat you want, let me know, hell I missed 3 of them
today.

Scotty

"The_nagitator©" fart wrote ...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never

answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC




Donal October 6th 03 11:46 PM

Crew lost!
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

snip
Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?



When I was about 11 y/o, I had a blind cat. She seemed happy enough, and
we had her for a few years before she got killed by a car.


Regards

Donal
--




Simple Simon October 6th 03 11:58 PM

Crew lost!
 
Lot's of cats who see perfectly well also get run over by cars.

A concerned owner would not let a blind cat play in the traffic.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

snip
Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?



When I was about 11 y/o, I had a blind cat. She seemed happy enough, and
we had her for a few years before she got killed by a car.


Regards

Donal
--






The_navigator© October 7th 03 12:06 AM

Crew lost!
 
There you go shooting off your mouth. You have no idea what was
happening to her -apart from the fact that she was going blind. FYI this
was a 5 month old kitten -and a major factor in both the disease process
and it's outcome. For an older cat, blindness would not be a major
problem. This decision was not taken lightly and was taken with expert
vetenary advice. Believe me, we loved her lots.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC






The_navigator© October 7th 03 12:15 AM

Crew lost!
 
Who lets you play God?

MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Lot's of cats who see perfectly well also get run over by cars.

A concerned owner would not let a blind cat play in the traffic.



Simple Simon October 7th 03 12:42 AM

Crew lost!
 

Nobody let's me play God but God did give me a brain which
with to think and eyes which to see and ears which with to hear
and other senses. If a couple of my senses happen to become
faulty or even if I lose one of them completely that does not make
me so impaired that I would wish somebody to execute me to
put me out of my misery.

You, on the other hand profess to miss you cat, a cat you killed
because her existence had become something that may have
required a little more work on your part. I maintain that since
you executed your cat you did not love her at all and you
certainly do not miss her. What you really feel is guilt because
you did the wrong thing. You took on the obligation of a pet
and then when the pet did not turn out the way you expected
you simply killed her to get rid of her and any inconvenience
she may have caused.

You are the typical cruel, careless, and asshole pet owner
who seems to think pets only exist to live up to their owner's
expectations. You and your ilk have no conscience and no
business even calling yourself human. You're sick and that's
a fact. You even post a psychotic post describing murder of an
animal for no good reason other than your being inconvenienced
and you expect sympathy. Well, you got sympathy but not
from anybody who has a pet and loves a pet. The sympathy
you got was from other people like yourself who think pets
are for throwing away any time they don't live up to their
warped expectations. You're an asshole plain and simple.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Who lets you play God?

MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Lot's of cats who see perfectly well also get run over by cars.

A concerned owner would not let a blind cat play in the traffic.





Simple Simon October 7th 03 12:44 AM

Crew lost!
 
BULL****! One does not kill any creature one loves.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
There you go shooting off your mouth. You have no idea what was
happening to her -apart from the fact that she was going blind. FYI this
was a 5 month old kitten -and a major factor in both the disease process
and it's outcome. For an older cat, blindness would not be a major
problem. This decision was not taken lightly and was taken with expert
vetenary advice. Believe me, we loved her lots.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC








Scott Vernon October 7th 03 01:29 AM

Crew lost!
 
drunk driver?

"Donal" wrote


When I was about 11 y/o, I had a blind cat. She seemed happy enough, and
we had her for a few years before she got killed by a car.





Scott Vernon October 7th 03 01:35 AM

Crew lost!
 
"Simple Simon" wrote ...

that I would wish somebody to execute me to
put me out of my misery.


I'll bet we could get more than a few volunteers.


You took on the obligation of a pet
and then when the pet did not turn out the way you expected
you simply killed her to get rid of her and any inconvenience
she may have caused.


If only marriages could be ended that easily. Divorce is SO messy.

SV




Thom Stewart October 7th 03 01:58 AM

Crew lost!
 
BULL**** NO ONE KILLSA CREATURE THAT THEY LOVE.

Simian, that statement is the dumbest lie ever made.

God does! Loving Masters do! I have a very dear friend of mine dying
from cancer of the liver right now and oh, how I wish he could get an
assist. Death more times than not comes as a friend, IF WE"RE LUCKY

Stop with your stupid statments ( I wish) but I know you won't, so screw
you!

What happened to you're plan to sail off into the sunset like Slocum?
Don't you love who you are?

I'll not get into a discussion with you about this so your reply will go
unanswered.

You're an ASSHOLE!!!

Thom


Horvath October 7th 03 02:14 AM

Crew lost!
 
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:11:08 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Horass, do you have any idea how much this makes you sound like a
freakazoid???


I'm not the one talking about feeling up animals.


Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that can
only be felt but never explained.



I could never understand beastiality.
The whacko liberals will try to legalize this, next.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

katysails October 7th 03 03:24 AM

Crew lost!
 
that I would wish somebody to execute me to
put me out of my misery.


I'll bet we could get more than a few volunteers.

We could take up a collection for when Jack kevorkian gets out of =
Jackson State....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


katysails October 7th 03 03:28 AM

Crew lost!
 
Thom,=20
You must remember that Neal's cat is the ONLY thing in the WHOLE WIDE =
WORLD that lives him and that he truly has feelings for. He cannot =
relate to what other people do at all. He interprets everything by his =
own shallow existence. If he had to make that decision, he would be =
alone forever. Thus, he could never make that decision for the =
betterment of the poor suffering animal. He would selfishly cling to =
its poor existence, living vicariously on its pain.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Jonathan Ganz October 7th 03 05:03 AM

Crew lost!
 
You're the one who keeps bringing it up and you're the
one making phone calls.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:11:08 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Horass, do you have any idea how much this makes you sound like a
freakazoid???


I'm not the one talking about feeling up animals.


Sorry to hear of your lost pet. I'm a person who understands the

bonding
that take place between a human and an animal. It is something that

can
only be felt but never explained.


I could never understand beastiality.
The whacko liberals will try to legalize this, next.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.




Jonathan Ganz October 7th 03 05:04 AM

Crew lost!
 
Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
BULL****! One does not kill any creature one loves.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message

...
There you go shooting off your mouth. You have no idea what was
happening to her -apart from the fact that she was going blind. FYI this
was a 5 month old kitten -and a major factor in both the disease process
and it's outcome. For an older cat, blindness would not be a major
problem. This decision was not taken lightly and was taken with expert
vetenary advice. Believe me, we loved her lots.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message

...

My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never

answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her

love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a

dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival

time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would

merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move

freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC










Wally October 7th 03 05:29 AM

Crew lost!
 
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.


What does "humane" mean in this context?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.




Jonathan Ganz October 7th 03 09:35 AM

Crew lost!
 
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

"Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion: a humane judge."

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.


What does "humane" mean in this context?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.






Capt. Mooron October 7th 03 03:10 PM

Crew lost!
 

"Wally" wrote in message
...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
|
| Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.
|
| What does "humane" mean in this context?

I think it means they'll put you down nice and quiet like with a syringe...
for your own good..... as opposed to the "feline" method of ripping your
body to shreds while maintaining a vise like grip on your throat for their
own good.

A vet here got nailed on cruelty charges.... apparently someone brought in
their cat to be "euthanized' [sic] and as he was getting into his car in the
back parking lot... saw the vet grab his dear ole cat by the tail and swing
it around prior to smashing it's head on the counter... Twice!!

They claimed it was inhumane.... the vet claimed the end results were the
same.

CM



Wally October 7th 03 04:13 PM

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.


If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


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Wally October 7th 03 04:17 PM

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

What does "humane" mean in this context?


I think it means they'll put you down nice and quiet like with a
syringe... for your own good..... as opposed to the "feline" method
of ripping your body to shreds while maintaining a vise like grip on
your throat for their own good.


I was meaning the option to put down or not put down, rather than the method
of putting down.


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Scott Vernon October 7th 03 04:52 PM

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Like when Katy broke her leg?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being.




Capt. Mooron October 7th 03 07:35 PM

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"Wally" wrote in message

| I was meaning the option to put down or not put down, rather than the
method
| of putting down.

The option is always there Wally..... the methods vary. Generally it would
mean in this context that the critter was a goner anyway, eventually, so
the choice was made for it. Go gentle into that good night now... or rage
against the dying of the light later.

Humane is an intent.... the reality is the outcome remains the same. If the
cat had learned to talk... it could have decided whether it would rather die
in a battle with an enraged pitbull or gently in it's sleep having it's
tummy rubbed and ear scratched. Then again if it could talk it would have
hired a team of lawyers... sued it's owner, demanded freedom for all cats
and become a burden on society.

Some Asian family is starving because they can't afford to buy a cat or dog
for supper and we're burying $1500 cats. Is there no justice?

CM



Jonathan Ganz October 7th 03 07:38 PM

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Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.


If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.






Jonathan Ganz October 7th 03 07:39 PM

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Well, yeah... now that you mention it.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Like when Katy broke her leg?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being.






Capt. Mooron October 7th 03 09:02 PM

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That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
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