A couple new pictures . . .
 

I added a couple more pictures to my New Sails page to satisfy some
of the inquiries and criticism I've read here lately.

One picture shows detail of one of the hanks on the jib. This is posted
because far too many people these days use wind-up sails and live
with an inferior system to plain, simple, and reliable hanks.

A second picture shows the jib and headstay because some of you
putzes actually had the cheek to suggest that my headstay needed to
be tightened. The photo proves you in error (as is the usual case)

http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html

S.Simon

A couple new pictures . . .
 

I can just imagine....

"Watch out for that yellow cruising sloop" can be heard at yacht clubs and
racing venues all over south Florida.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I added a couple more pictures to my New Sails page to satisfy some
of the inquiries and criticism I've read here lately.

One picture shows detail of one of the hanks on the jib. This is posted
because far too many people these days use wind-up sails and live
with an inferior system to plain, simple, and reliable hanks.

A second picture shows the jib and headstay because some of you
putzes actually had the cheek to suggest that my headstay needed to
be tightened. The photo proves you in error (as is the usual case)

http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html

S.Simon

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Another of Oz's sour grapes thrown at our esteemed Captain.

"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:49:15 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

I added a couple more pictures to my New Sails page to satisfy some
of the inquiries and criticism I've read here lately.

One picture shows detail of one of the hanks on the jib. This is posted
because far too many people these days use wind-up sails and live
with an inferior system to plain, simple, and reliable hanks.

A second picture shows the jib and headstay because some of you
putzes actually had the cheek to suggest that my headstay needed to
be tightened. The photo proves you in error (as is the usual case)

http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html

S.Simon


Bwaaaahahahahhahahaaaa!
Cappy those extra pics clearly indicate that you don't have a clue!!
The comments that go with them reinforces that fact.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Hey Simple Simian,

Who told you your Jib wasn't tight enough?? I told you it was to damn
tight.!!! Ease Off on those new sails!!!

Your lower price sail do not have the strength built into their corners.
For your own good don't over stretch them.

Neal, can't you see the hook you have created in the leech of that jib??
It is caused by to tight of a leech drawstring. Ease it off. Look at the
leech on the Main. That looks better. Make the Jib leech look like that.

I haven't been able to tell if you have a back stay adjuster. If you do,
you want to remember that when you increase backstay tension, you reduce
headstay "SAG". You want this to happen to the headstay and on the tack
of the jib.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO STRETCH NEW SAILS!!! The cut should take care of
the shape. Halyard and sheets are just to get the sails in position to
do their job. Give them a chance...

Simple Simian, listen to the old man

And, to the GROUP, I can't get my pictures to record;------- Will
someone send a picture of a well stitch sail corner of a sail from a
good loft to let Neal see the difference

THANKS

OLE THOM

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Simple Simian,

Who told you your Jib wasn't tight enough?? I told you it was to damn
tight.!!! Ease Off on those new sails!!!

Your lower price sail do not have the strength built into their corners.
For your own good don't over stretch them.

Neal, can't you see the hook you have created in the leech of that jib??
It is caused by to tight of a leech drawstring. Ease it off. Look at the
leech on the Main. That looks better. Make the Jib leech look like that.

I haven't been able to tell if you have a back stay adjuster. If you do,
you want to remember that when you increase backstay tension, you reduce
headstay "SAG". You want this to happen to the headstay and on the tack
of the jib.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO STRETCH NEW SAILS!!! The cut should take care of
the shape. Halyard and sheets are just to get the sails in position to
do their job. Give them a chance...

Simple Simian, listen to the old man

And, to the GROUP, I can't get my pictures to record;------- Will
someone send a picture of a well stitch sail corner of a sail from a
good loft to let Neal see the difference

THANKS

OLE THOM


neal wont see the difference... cos he see's only what he wants to

Did anybody tell him the "leech" is the edge of the sail from tack head to
clew? ... I see no reason to suspect he knows that

A couple new pictures . . .
 

I ment to say about taking the Sag out of the forestay and not out of
the Jib Tack.

Sorry

OT

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Nice looking sails. Did you sail them yet? How'd are they?
How come you use anchor line for your halyards?

Scotty

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I added a couple more pictures to my New Sails page to satisfy some
of the inquiries and criticism I've read here lately.

One picture shows detail of one of the hanks on the jib. This is posted
because far too many people these days use wind-up sails and live
with an inferior system to plain, simple, and reliable hanks.

A second picture shows the jib and headstay because some of you
putzes actually had the cheek to suggest that my headstay needed to
be tightened. The photo proves you in error (as is the usual case)

http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html

S.Simon

A couple new pictures . . .
 

How come you use anchor line for your halyards?

LOL............... That's what I said only I asked more politely.
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My anchor lines are 9/16 three-strand nylon. The halyards
are 3/8" three-strand nylon. Not the same thing. The halyards
are combination wire rope and fiber rope. The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted and used
to go around the cleat or winch and cleat. It's a simple and
servicable set-up. You should consider the same.

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
How come you use anchor line for your halyards?

LOL............... That's what I said only I asked more politely.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

you called them dock lines?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
How come you use anchor line for your halyards?

LOL............... That's what I said only I asked more politely.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Simple Simon wrote:

My anchor lines are 9/16 three-strand nylon. The halyards
are 3/8" three-strand nylon.

That's pathetic.

9/16" is far too thick & heavy for an anchor rode for a 27' sailboat, even one that is bloated and
overloaded like yours.


Not the same thing. The halyards
are combination wire rope and fiber rope. The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted and used
to go around the cleat or winch and cleat. It's a simple and
servicable set-up. You should consider the same.

Umm, no. Nobody with two nickels, or two brain cells, to rub together should consider any such thing.
Wire rope is weaker & stretchier than modern fiber rope, and it presents a serious chafe hazard and
strand-hook hazard.

Having wire rope on any boat smaller than about 300 tons is a sign of serious boneheadedness.

DSK

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Oh, I see. Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this
pic.? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/reefpatchdetail.jpg

SV

"Simple Simon" wrote ...
The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted

A couple new pictures . . .
 

It's a simple and
servicable set-up. You should consider the same.

Yea, I'd like to trade my simple 5/16" Technora core double braid for your old
fashon, heavy, meat hook, complicated, prone to failure wire to rope halyards.
Especially since they use that stretchy 3-strand Nylon tail.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this pic.?

Busted! Oh he'll probably say that's his 3/8" heavy duty flag halyard.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Right. The Cal 28 that it looks like we're going to get
currently has wire/rope, which we'll be switching to rope.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Not the same thing. The halyards
are combination wire rope and fiber rope. The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted and used
to go around the cleat or winch and cleat. It's a simple and
servicable set-up. You should consider the same.

Umm, no. Nobody with two nickels, or two brain cells, to rub together
should consider any such thing.
Wire rope is weaker & stretchier than modern fiber rope, and it presents a
serious chafe hazard and
strand-hook hazard.

Having wire rope on any boat smaller than about 300 tons is a sign of
serious boneheadedness.

DSK

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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:59:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Right. The Cal 28 that it looks like we're going to get
currently has wire/rope, which we'll be switching to rope.

You said you weren't getting the Cal 28. And who's this "we"? Is
that you and your boyfriend?


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

"Horvath" wrote in message
And who's this "we"? Is
| that you and your boyfriend?

......are you jealous Horvath?

CM

A couple new pictures . . .
 

In that picture three "lines" can be seen.

Starting from forward one can see the wire jib halyard.
In the middle one can see the black loom covering the
wires that go to the masthead(wind instrument, antenna
coax and anchor light wire -currently not in use)
and aftmost one can see the topping lift line.

Satisfied?

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Oh, I see. Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this
pic.? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/reefpatchdetail.jpg

SV

"Simple Simon" wrote ...
The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Not busted. Read my reply to Scotty.

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this pic.?

Busted! Oh he'll probably say that's his 3/8" heavy duty flag halyard.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Oh. Where's the main halyard? Other side? Is the 'loom' attached to the
mast?

Scotty

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
In that picture three "lines" can be seen.

Starting from forward one can see the wire jib halyard.
In the middle one can see the black loom covering the
wires that go to the masthead(wind instrument, antenna
coax and anchor light wire -currently not in use)
and aftmost one can see the topping lift line.

Satisfied?

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh, I see. Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this
pic.? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/reefpatchdetail.jpg

SV

"Simple Simon" wrote ...
The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Main halyard is, indeed on the starboard side of the mast.

The loom is not attached to the mast. It is a split loom which
is secured around the wires with black tie-wraps on 12"
centers. The wires are attached to the mast using nylon cable
clamps on 18"centers affixed with stainless steel screws lubed
and sealed with tefon trailer hitch grease.

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Oh. Where's the main halyard? Other side? Is the 'loom' attached to the
mast?

Scotty

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
In that picture three "lines" can be seen.

Starting from forward one can see the wire jib halyard.
In the middle one can see the black loom covering the
wires that go to the masthead(wind instrument, antenna
coax and anchor light wire -currently not in use)
and aftmost one can see the topping lift line.

Satisfied?

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh, I see. Well then what's that long line going up the mast in this
pic.? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/reefpatchdetail.jpg

SV

"Simple Simon" wrote ...
The nylon tail is
only a foot or two long when the sails are hoisted

A couple new pictures . . .
 

In the middle one can see the black loom covering the wires that go to the
masthead(wind instrument, antenna coax and anchor light wire -currently not in
use).

So you have external mast wiring? That's novel. Jezzzzzzze.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

The wires are attached to the mast using nylon cable
clamps on 18"centers affixed with stainless steel screws lubed
and sealed with tefon trailer hitch grease.

LOL......... I even had internal wiring on my Merit 22. It's pretty easy to do
things the right way.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

You are so incredibly stupid, that I fear that no matter
what I write, you'll either mis-read it or won't be able
to read it... sigh... well, I'll try one more time. And, as I said
before, you're the one with the tits and boyfriend, not I.

"We" are the non-profit sailing organization of which I'm
a member. I was originally interested in buying it for myself,
but the organization needs it more than I want it.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:59:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Right. The Cal 28 that it looks like we're going to get
currently has wire/rope, which we'll be switching to rope.

You said you weren't getting the Cal 28. And who's this "we"? Is
that you and your boyfriend?


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Wiring inside a cruising boat mast is stupid. Unless one can unstep and
step the mast unaided in a seaway to fix dead wires and connections
inside the mast one is asking for big trouble. It's far better to have all
wires to the masthead readily accessable.

S.Simon - a real blue water cruising sailor with the right stuff


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
The wires are attached to the mast using nylon cable
clamps on 18"centers affixed with stainless steel screws lubed
and sealed with tefon trailer hitch grease.

LOL......... I even had internal wiring on my Merit 22. It's pretty easy to do
things the right way.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

It's sensible and simple! Internal wiring is a pain in the butt.

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
In the middle one can see the black loom covering the wires that go to the
masthead(wind instrument, antenna coax and anchor light wire -currently not in
use).

So you have external mast wiring? That's novel. Jezzzzzzze.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

To BillyJane,

And, you're uninformed, inexperienced and stupid!

Wires inside the mast are subject to corrosion and working
so they can chafe, etc. Plugs at the base of the mast on a
deck stepped mast are particularly subject to corrosion
and failure. Putting wires inside the mast does NOT
protect them from humidity and wear and tear. It is stupid
to place any wires and connections in unaccessable places.

Where do you think they run the wires on wooden spars?
You don't actually think they drill the length of the spar and
insert the wires do you? What a colossal PUTZ!

S.Simon


wrote in message ...
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:41:45 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Wiring inside a cruising boat mast is stupid. Unless one can unstep and
step the mast unaided in a seaway to fix dead wires and connections
inside the mast one is asking for big trouble. It's far better to have all
wires to the masthead readily accessable.


Running wires on the outside of ANY sailboat mast is the height of
stupidity. I thought you had already reached as high on the stupidity
scale as you could go with your bone-headed boom repair.

There are no connections inside the mast. The whole idea is to protect
the wires from damage and the elements, so they won't NEED repairs.

BB

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Simple Simon wrote:


Wires inside the mast are subject to corrosion and working
so they can chafe, etc.

Not if they are installed correctly.

However, after seeing how bad you can screw up really easy stuff like rope, it's no wonder you think
that wires on the outside are better.

BTW did you ever figure out the difference between thread-sealing tape and electricians tape? Maybe you
wired your mast with Teflon plumber's tape, and that's a big part of the problem!

DSK

A couple new pictures . . .
 

At least I have a boat with a mast and not some silly
trawler.

S.Simon


"DSK" wrote in message ...


Simple Simon wrote:


Wires inside the mast are subject to corrosion and working
so they can chafe, etc.

Not if they are installed correctly.

However, after seeing how bad you can screw up really easy stuff like rope, it's no wonder you think
that wires on the outside are better.

BTW did you ever figure out the difference between thread-sealing tape and electricians tape? Maybe you
wired your mast with Teflon plumber's tape, and that's a big part of the problem!

DSK

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Simple Simon wrote:

At least I have a boat with a mast

Yeah, and that's the only thing you can get up.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Plugs at the base of the mast on a
deck stepped mast are particularly subject to corrosion
and failure.

So what do you do drill a big hole in the deck and pass the wires thru?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

At least I'm smart enough to not get up a creek without a
paddle during hurricane season like some idiots around
here.

S.Simon


"DSK" wrote in message ...
Simple Simon wrote:

At least I have a boat with a mast

Yeah, and that's the only thing you can get up.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Small hole with deck fitting. (West Marine 2003 catalog page 70
part number 181859).

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Plugs at the base of the mast on a
deck stepped mast are particularly subject to corrosion
and failure.

So what do you do drill a big hole in the deck and pass the wires thru?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Small hole with deck fitting. (West Marine 2003 catalog page 70
part number 181859).

But you said you didn't like deck fittings/plugs. You said they were a source
of corrosion.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
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A couple new pictures . . .
 

Sometimes they cannot be avoided but I don't recall saying any
such thing. And, really, what's the difference between a hole in
the deck through the mast step for the wires and a hole in the
deck beside the mast step for wires except for the fact that
an accessable fitting is preferable to an unaccessable fitting?

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Small hole with deck fitting. (West Marine 2003 catalog page 70
part number 181859).

But you said you didn't like deck fittings/plugs. You said they were a source
of corrosion.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A couple new pictures . . .
 

wrote in message
or a chicken rancher would do something
| so completely hacked.

Heh! Back off You Binary Bilge Barnacle! Even I have the power cables to
the Chook Coup buried and run through plastic pipe.

CM

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:12:29 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


.....are you jealous Horvath?

Why should I be jealous of Horvath? Because he's so tall and
good-looking? Because he's so popular? Because of his yacht, his
mansion, his Harley collection? Because of his beautiful female
fiance? I'm not jealous of him, I am him.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:33:32 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You are so incredibly stupid, that I fear that no matter
what I write, you'll either mis-read it or won't be able
to read it... sigh... well, I'll try one more time. And, as I said
before, you're the one with the tits and boyfriend, not I.

"We" are the non-profit sailing organization of which I'm
a member. I was originally interested in buying it for myself,
but the organization needs it more than I want it.

So you have to wait in line to use it. Just like your boyfriend.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Fantasy is a good friend of yours isn't it Horvath? It must help with the
ridicule you suffer when men laugh at your pendulous breasts!

CM

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:12:29 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
| wrote this crap:
|
|
| .....are you jealous Horvath?
|
| Why should I be jealous of Horvath? Because he's so tall and
| good-looking? Because he's so popular? Because of his yacht, his
| mansion, his Harley collection? Because of his beautiful female
| fiance? I'm not jealous of him, I am him.
|
|
| Hero@Horvath
|
| I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
| on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

A couple new pictures . . .
 

Hey, that's the same one that came on my MacGregor 26.

SV

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Small hole with deck fitting. (West Marine 2003 catalog page 70
part number 181859).

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Plugs at the base of the mast on a
deck stepped mast are particularly subject to corrosion
and failure.

So what do you do drill a big hole in the deck and pass the wires thru?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport