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Pony Express October 3rd 03 08:06 PM

Anybody know why . . .
 
That's a troll, right. At least, I hope it is.
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Simple Simon" wrote in
message
...
: Very nice and superior to Navigator's lame
picture of a sail way
: too full for the conditions. The lines on the
mainsail I can understand.
: It's the line(s) on the jib that have me puzzled
because there is not
: really any adjustment to speak of available on
the jib like there is on
: the mainsail. What's the use of a line that
facilitates adjustment when
: adjustment is limited or lacking altogether?
:
: S.Simon
:
:
: "Joe" wrote in message
m...
: "Simple Simon" wrote in
message
...
: What's the reason for the black line on the
jib?
:
:
: http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg
:
:
: Yeah. Same reason I have the red ones. I think
Ol Thom can answer this
: question better than anyone.
:
: You should of requested Yellow lines t match
your hull btw.
:
:
:
:
http://community.webshots.com/album/93138533kAuFwc
:
: Notice the perfect shape? not all wrinkley
like the navigators.
:
: Notice that I have 3 red line on my sails,all
of them.
:
: your sail looksgood except for the shelf.
Looks like wasted cloth,
: more wear and chaffing, a great place to
collect water and usless
: unless you have a bunch of nic knacks to
display. Should of gone with
: a superior footless sail.
:
: joe
:
:


jlrogers October 3rd 03 11:50 PM

Anybody know why . . .
 
Oz, you are such a Putz. (Notice the capital P).
"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:47:40 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Hey, I know what a draft stripe is on a mainsail and how to read it but
if you'd pay attention I was asking why the line on the jib? On a main
you have the boom so you can adjust all three corners of the sail to
affect its shape. On a jib, however, you don't really have the option
of an outhaul or a downhaul (sliding gooseneck, vang, or Cunningham)
so there is really no way to set the draft. The draft is what it is

depending
on the cut of the sail mostly and the position of the jib car in small

part
along with the point of sail.


Bwaaaaahahahhahahhahahahahaaaaa!
Cappy you're killing me!!
Bwaaahahahahhahahahaaaa!

Now for the first lesson.
What is the similarity between the sliding gooseneck, cunningham and
the downhaul on a headsail?
What is the similarity between the vang and the luff tension and car
position on a headsail?

Wh do we vary luff sag on a headsail?

Think carefully, you shattered reputation depends upon the answers.

Now, if one were using a club-footed jib it could be adjusted a little
more like the mainsail so my question of what the stripe is for on
the jib was answered I believe by snotty replies like to look at and
to be a gimmick. It seems to me to be pretty useless.


Cappy the stripe serves exactly the same purpose on both headsail and
main. I've also seen then on spinnakers, moreso with assymetrics.

S.Simon - maybe the real function of s draft stripe on the jib is only
to match the one on the main?

Bwaaahahahhahaaa! Maybe you should have aasked for a purple one to
match the cushions?


"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message

...
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long

to
load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much

draft.

S.Simon

Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for,
now you're an expert on reading them.

For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with
an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where
should that max draft be.

Theoretically of course.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.






Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Capt. Mooron October 4th 03 12:08 AM

Anybody know why . . .
 
Cripes Ozzy.... you're talking like Simon's boat is a real vessel.....
capable of ventures beyond the salt flats it's currently moored on.

Get a Grip Man..... it's only 26 feet of day sailing glory... you should
really try and be more proactive and supportive.... considering how much
money you claim to have.

When the self proclaimed Uber Rich are reduced to picking on somebody with a
meager Coronado... it speaks volumes about their own insecurity ...

The fact you boast about a Greek Fisherman's Cap as the height of fashion...
allows the rest of us to judge your opinions on any subject with the lack of
merit they deserve.

CM



"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:47:40 -0400, "Simple Simon"
| wrote:
|
| Hey, I know what a draft stripe is on a mainsail and how to read it but
| if you'd pay attention I was asking why the line on the jib? On a main
| you have the boom so you can adjust all three corners of the sail to
| affect its shape. On a jib, however, you don't really have the option
| of an outhaul or a downhaul (sliding gooseneck, vang, or Cunningham)
| so there is really no way to set the draft. The draft is what it is
depending
| on the cut of the sail mostly and the position of the jib car in small
part
| along with the point of sail.
|
| Bwaaaaahahahhahahhahahahahaaaaa!
| Cappy you're killing me!!
| Bwaaahahahahhahahahaaaa!
|
| Now for the first lesson.
| What is the similarity between the sliding gooseneck, cunningham and
| the downhaul on a headsail?
| What is the similarity between the vang and the luff tension and car
| position on a headsail?
|
| Wh do we vary luff sag on a headsail?
|
| Think carefully, you shattered reputation depends upon the answers.
|
| Now, if one were using a club-footed jib it could be adjusted a little
| more like the mainsail so my question of what the stripe is for on
| the jib was answered I believe by snotty replies like to look at and
| to be a gimmick. It seems to me to be pretty useless.
|
| Cappy the stripe serves exactly the same purpose on both headsail and
| main. I've also seen then on spinnakers, moreso with assymetrics.
|
| S.Simon - maybe the real function of s draft stripe on the jib is only
| to match the one on the main?
| Bwaaahahahhahaaa! Maybe you should have aasked for a purple one to
| match the cushions?
|
|
| "The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon"
| wrote:
|
|
| Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long
to
| load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much
draft.
|
| S.Simon
|
| Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for,
| now you're an expert on reading them.
|
| For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with
| an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where
| should that max draft be.
|
| Theoretically of course.
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
| Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|




Thom Stewart October 4th 03 06:52 AM

Anybody know why . . .
 
Hey Simple Simian,

Just really think about the main advantage of a Mast Head Rig. Just like
the rig on your "Banana Boat".

You can vary the size of the Head Sail easier and vary the trim(Shape)
better than the main

Which does bring a question to my mind. Why is the Hoist on your new Jib
so short, if you did the measuring? You know you short changed your sail
area, which is woefully short to begin with.

If you'd go back and read my adjustments about the Jib, you will find
the various Trim adjustment.

By the way, your vessel really needs a 150% headsail. With that working
Jib you'll have trouble keeping up to that Kid's sailboat with the
lollipop stick with the paper sail.

If you're going to keep that short working Jib you better add a pendant
to the tack to get the peak to the top of the mast.

Ole Thom


Simple Simon October 5th 03 04:50 AM

Anybody know why . . .
 
I used the original luff of 27 feet - it's all about balance and keeping
the correct helm. My mainsail is 134 square feet and the jib is 130
square feet. If I want more area forward for lighter winds I have a
120 jenny, a 130 jenny, a 150 jenny and a 170 jenny to match
any wind conditions. It just so happens that in the twenty to
twenty-five knot trade wind conditions my working sails are
perfectly suited. When the winds are light and fluky like they
are in the summer here in the Keys close to the mainland the
bigger headsails come into play.

It's that simple.

S.Simon - simply marvelous!


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Hey Simple Simian,

Just really think about the main advantage of a Mast Head Rig. Just like
the rig on your "Banana Boat".

You can vary the size of the Head Sail easier and vary the trim(Shape)
better than the main

Which does bring a question to my mind. Why is the Hoist on your new Jib
so short, if you did the measuring? You know you short changed your sail
area, which is woefully short to begin with.

If you'd go back and read my adjustments about the Jib, you will find
the various Trim adjustment.

By the way, your vessel really needs a 150% headsail. With that working
Jib you'll have trouble keeping up to that Kid's sailboat with the
lollipop stick with the paper sail.

If you're going to keep that short working Jib you better add a pendant
to the tack to get the peak to the top of the mast.

Ole Thom





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