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It's like training wheels for idiots that can't understand how to read a
sail.... great idea for someone sailing with a "Chinese junk".... CM "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | What's the reason for the black line on the jib? | | http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg | | |
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Gives some indication of sail shape? Seems redundant if
that's what it's for. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg Its so you can see the chord shape of the sail... Try slacking or tensioning the haliyard and observe the way the curve of that line changes... Moving the sheet lead will change the twist and set of the sail and try to lose the slight hook in the leech.....its not good......slack the leech line off some . . If you would only stop waffling on about how great you are and take a little time to learn..you might get the best from your new sails .. they look like they COULD be a surprisingly good cut... (for the price)... cartainly adequate... Enjoy! |
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You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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There's no need. he's not racing and would prefer not to have to keep
adjusting it as the wind picks up. Cheers MC James wrote: Moving the sheet lead will change the twist and set of the sail and try to lose the slight hook in the leech.....its not good......slack the leech line off some . . If you would only stop waffling on about how great you are and take a little time to learn..you might get the best from your new sails |
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Neal,
James has given you a damn good appeasel and where you are out of adjustment Lets you and I talk a little about sail trim, head sail trim. That line is to let you see the curve of your sail, parallel to the deck. It shoes your trim. Most salts use the seams on a cross cut but the line is better Adjustments on the head Sag------Is the amount of slack in your forestay. controlled by back stay tension Twist------ The amount of fall off of the sail as you lok aloft Shape (Chord)-----Controlled by Sheet car position, Sheet tension,Halyard tension and leech (roach) length If you look at your "Line" you will see a definite hook leading into the leech. It is a indication of to tight of a leech. Someone mentioned Leech string tension, Ease off on it until you get a flutter in the roach and then draw up on it just enough to stop the flutter. The hook should disappear Check the back end of your line |
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Strange that only you and me spotted that eh?
Cheers MC On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:05:36 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg It's so you can easily see sail shape, particularly at night. You can see from that pic that the draft is waaay to far back. Either that or you got a spinnaker cut headsail. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Sorry Neal, hit the wrong button
Anyway Part tow; Sag Starting position; there should be about three inches sag when you look up the forestay with the sail on ( this is kind of a seat of the pants setting) It is to create a bend in the sail. Light air--more bend; Hvy air -- less bend. Up wind no bend. This is a back stay adjustment Sheet position; The sheet car, to start, should have the sheet bisecting the angle of the tack corner equally. This will let you control the twist and shape of the sail. Light air more car forward to get a baggy sail; move it back to get a flatter sail for hvy air and ease sheet tension to get more twist ( to relieve pressure aloft) This may have been the the only adjustment you had correct. he top windward tell tail should just be dancing Halyard Tension should be used to shape sail, especially the upper half and position the depth location of the Chord That is enough said. Now the sling and arrows of the racing group can let fly. It takes and old man with little sense to even try to sell sail trim to anyone, let alone a group Looking at the main sail, I have to agree with Nutsy, you do need help and it has damn little to do with boom bend, You need to get that Lump out of the Tack area. Get more tension on your outhaul for sure. Get a picture of the whole sail from your dingy and then we'll see what we can do. Ole Thom |
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Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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I had the track car all the way forward. I should have moved it back
to open up the leech. Is that what you're trying to say? The leech line was pulled only very easy just to take any slack out of it. I did notice the foot seemed a little loose in the light winds but later in the afternoon the winds piped up to a good steady twenty knots and the sail shaped out nicely. Remember what you see in the pictures is about five or six knots of wind. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Neal, James has given you a damn good appeasel and where you are out of adjustment Lets you and I talk a little about sail trim, head sail trim. That line is to let you see the curve of your sail, parallel to the deck. It shoes your trim. Most salts use the seams on a cross cut but the line is better Adjustments on the head Sag------Is the amount of slack in your forestay. controlled by back stay tension Twist------ The amount of fall off of the sail as you lok aloft Shape (Chord)-----Controlled by Sheet car position, Sheet tension,Halyard tension and leech (roach) length If you look at your "Line" you will see a definite hook leading into the leech. It is a indication of to tight of a leech. Someone mentioned Leech string tension, Ease off on it until you get a flutter in the roach and then draw up on it just enough to stop the flutter. The hook should disappear Check the back end of your line |
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Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.
The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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What's the reason for the black line on the jib?
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Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and
roach silly! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too
great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like your wife's chest, you know. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and roach silly! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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Do you mean draft? Did you look at the other pictures -if you look at
the one from forward you are still saying there is too much draft? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like your wife's chest, you know. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and roach silly! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Do you mean draft? Did you look at the other pictures -if you look at the one from forward you are still saying there is too much draft? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like your wife's chest, you know. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and roach silly! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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I though you had broad band? At least now you are using correct
terminology! But it does not have too much draft, the foreshortening of the picture gives that impression. look further up. But even more important look at the position of maximaum draft! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Do you mean draft? Did you look at the other pictures -if you look at the one from forward you are still saying there is too much draft? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like your wife's chest, you know. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and roach silly! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the leeward side of the sail. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air. The better racers know this. How come you don't? S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do about the draft? http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD Shows what a new main should look like in light airs. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail shape smoothed out. S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better than some wannabe looking at pictures. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly.. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg |
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Try this!
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/vo...ing/index.html Bwhahhahahahahahhahahaha Even booby will love it. Cheers MC The Captains Nemesis wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. S.Simon Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for, now you're an expert on reading them. For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where should that max draft be. Theoretically of course. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Neal,
Listen to what the Nav is saying. He is telling it true. The greatest depth of the Chord should be in the forward 1/3 of the sail. This shouldn't be a problem with a new sail. As the sail ages it falls further back.That is when you you start looking for new sails. Looking at your pictures I would say you have those sails set TO TIGHT. Ease up! let the new sails that their own shape. On the main sail, for the size sail you have and being new, your halyard tension shouldn't be any tighter than you can get without the wench and sheet tension should be just enough to pull the top batten parallel to the boom. Get that draft forward without over adjusting. That, I hope is my final comment. If I can help you in anyway, e-mail me. Don't stretch those new sails out of shape "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
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Cute, but that little applet only uses angle of attack and there are no sail adjustments other than that. I would think even Booby would know the correct angle of attack by using tell tales. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Try this! http://www.nationalgeographic.com/vo...ing/index.html Bwhahhahahahahahhahahaha Even booby will love it. Cheers MC The Captains Nemesis wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. S.Simon Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for, now you're an expert on reading them. For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where should that max draft be. Theoretically of course. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Thanks for the tips. I'm sure in winds that are a little heavier than 5 or six
knots the sails will assume a better shape. I was more concerned with trying to get the folds out from the shipping process than getting the draft, etc. exactly right anyhow. Also, the wind was shift so half the time when I put it on autopilot and went forward and layed down to snap a pic the wind angle wasn't even correct. Rest assured that I can easily trim my sails for maximum efficiency. I could probably even beat Ella Vuella in light air. He claims his ship is easily driven but mine is more easily driven than even his. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Neal, Listen to what the Nav is saying. He is telling it true. The greatest depth of the Chord should be in the forward 1/3 of the sail. This shouldn't be a problem with a new sail. As the sail ages it falls further back.That is when you you start looking for new sails. Looking at your pictures I would say you have those sails set TO TIGHT. Ease up! let the new sails that their own shape. On the main sail, for the size sail you have and being new, your halyard tension shouldn't be any tighter than you can get without the wench and sheet tension should be just enough to pull the top batten parallel to the boom. Get that draft forward without over adjusting. That, I hope is my final comment. If I can help you in anyway, e-mail me. Don't stretch those new sails out of shape "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
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He claims his ship
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg Yeah. Same reason I have the red ones. I think Ol Thom can answer this question better than anyone. You should of requested Yellow lines t match your hull btw. http://community.webshots.com/album/93138533kAuFwc Notice the perfect shape? not all wrinkley like the navigators. Notice that I have 3 red line on my sails,all of them. your sail looksgood except for the shelf. Looks like wasted cloth, more wear and chaffing, a great place to collect water and usless unless you have a bunch of nic knacks to display. Should of gone with a superior footless sail. joe |
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Very nice and superior to Navigator's lame picture of a sail way
too full for the conditions. The lines on the mainsail I can understand. It's the line(s) on the jib that have me puzzled because there is not really any adjustment to speak of available on the jib like there is on the mainsail. What's the use of a line that facilitates adjustment when adjustment is limited or lacking altogether? S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message m... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... What's the reason for the black line on the jib? http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg Yeah. Same reason I have the red ones. I think Ol Thom can answer this question better than anyone. You should of requested Yellow lines t match your hull btw. http://community.webshots.com/album/93138533kAuFwc Notice the perfect shape? not all wrinkley like the navigators. Notice that I have 3 red line on my sails,all of them. your sail looksgood except for the shelf. Looks like wasted cloth, more wear and chaffing, a great place to collect water and usless unless you have a bunch of nic knacks to display. Should of gone with a superior footless sail. joe |
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That's a troll, right. At least, I hope it is.
-- ---- Steve S/V Pony Express "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... : Very nice and superior to Navigator's lame picture of a sail way : too full for the conditions. The lines on the mainsail I can understand. : It's the line(s) on the jib that have me puzzled because there is not : really any adjustment to speak of available on the jib like there is on : the mainsail. What's the use of a line that facilitates adjustment when : adjustment is limited or lacking altogether? : : S.Simon : : : "Joe" wrote in message m... : "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... : What's the reason for the black line on the jib? : : : http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg : : : Yeah. Same reason I have the red ones. I think Ol Thom can answer this : question better than anyone. : : You should of requested Yellow lines t match your hull btw. : : : : http://community.webshots.com/album/93138533kAuFwc : : Notice the perfect shape? not all wrinkley like the navigators. : : Notice that I have 3 red line on my sails,all of them. : : your sail looksgood except for the shelf. Looks like wasted cloth, : more wear and chaffing, a great place to collect water and usless : unless you have a bunch of nic knacks to display. Should of gone with : a superior footless sail. : : joe : : |
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Oz, you are such a Putz. (Notice the capital P).
"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:47:40 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Hey, I know what a draft stripe is on a mainsail and how to read it but if you'd pay attention I was asking why the line on the jib? On a main you have the boom so you can adjust all three corners of the sail to affect its shape. On a jib, however, you don't really have the option of an outhaul or a downhaul (sliding gooseneck, vang, or Cunningham) so there is really no way to set the draft. The draft is what it is depending on the cut of the sail mostly and the position of the jib car in small part along with the point of sail. Bwaaaaahahahhahahhahahahahaaaaa! Cappy you're killing me!! Bwaaahahahahhahahahaaaa! Now for the first lesson. What is the similarity between the sliding gooseneck, cunningham and the downhaul on a headsail? What is the similarity between the vang and the luff tension and car position on a headsail? Wh do we vary luff sag on a headsail? Think carefully, you shattered reputation depends upon the answers. Now, if one were using a club-footed jib it could be adjusted a little more like the mainsail so my question of what the stripe is for on the jib was answered I believe by snotty replies like to look at and to be a gimmick. It seems to me to be pretty useless. Cappy the stripe serves exactly the same purpose on both headsail and main. I've also seen then on spinnakers, moreso with assymetrics. S.Simon - maybe the real function of s draft stripe on the jib is only to match the one on the main? Bwaaahahahhahaaa! Maybe you should have aasked for a purple one to match the cushions? "The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. S.Simon Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for, now you're an expert on reading them. For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where should that max draft be. Theoretically of course. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Cripes Ozzy.... you're talking like Simon's boat is a real vessel.....
capable of ventures beyond the salt flats it's currently moored on. Get a Grip Man..... it's only 26 feet of day sailing glory... you should really try and be more proactive and supportive.... considering how much money you claim to have. When the self proclaimed Uber Rich are reduced to picking on somebody with a meager Coronado... it speaks volumes about their own insecurity ... The fact you boast about a Greek Fisherman's Cap as the height of fashion... allows the rest of us to judge your opinions on any subject with the lack of merit they deserve. CM "The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:47:40 -0400, "Simple Simon" | wrote: | | Hey, I know what a draft stripe is on a mainsail and how to read it but | if you'd pay attention I was asking why the line on the jib? On a main | you have the boom so you can adjust all three corners of the sail to | affect its shape. On a jib, however, you don't really have the option | of an outhaul or a downhaul (sliding gooseneck, vang, or Cunningham) | so there is really no way to set the draft. The draft is what it is depending | on the cut of the sail mostly and the position of the jib car in small part | along with the point of sail. | | Bwaaaaahahahhahahhahahahahaaaaa! | Cappy you're killing me!! | Bwaaahahahahhahahahaaaa! | | Now for the first lesson. | What is the similarity between the sliding gooseneck, cunningham and | the downhaul on a headsail? | What is the similarity between the vang and the luff tension and car | position on a headsail? | | Wh do we vary luff sag on a headsail? | | Think carefully, you shattered reputation depends upon the answers. | | Now, if one were using a club-footed jib it could be adjusted a little | more like the mainsail so my question of what the stripe is for on | the jib was answered I believe by snotty replies like to look at and | to be a gimmick. It seems to me to be pretty useless. | | Cappy the stripe serves exactly the same purpose on both headsail and | main. I've also seen then on spinnakers, moreso with assymetrics. | | S.Simon - maybe the real function of s draft stripe on the jib is only | to match the one on the main? | Bwaaahahahhahaaa! Maybe you should have aasked for a purple one to | match the cushions? | | | "The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:07:56 -0400, "Simple Simon" | wrote: | | | Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to | load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft. | | S.Simon | | Jesus Cappy, a few hours ago you didn't know what the stripe was for, | now you're an expert on reading them. | | For out information just how deep should the sail be in light air with | an easily driven boat like Ella on flatter water, and just where | should that max draft be. | | Theoretically of course. | | | Oz1...of the 3 twins. | I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. | | | | | | | Oz1...of the 3 twins. | Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on | I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. | | |
Anybody know why . . .
Hey Simple Simian,
Just really think about the main advantage of a Mast Head Rig. Just like the rig on your "Banana Boat". You can vary the size of the Head Sail easier and vary the trim(Shape) better than the main Which does bring a question to my mind. Why is the Hoist on your new Jib so short, if you did the measuring? You know you short changed your sail area, which is woefully short to begin with. If you'd go back and read my adjustments about the Jib, you will find the various Trim adjustment. By the way, your vessel really needs a 150% headsail. With that working Jib you'll have trouble keeping up to that Kid's sailboat with the lollipop stick with the paper sail. If you're going to keep that short working Jib you better add a pendant to the tack to get the peak to the top of the mast. Ole Thom |
Anybody know why . . .
I used the original luff of 27 feet - it's all about balance and keeping
the correct helm. My mainsail is 134 square feet and the jib is 130 square feet. If I want more area forward for lighter winds I have a 120 jenny, a 130 jenny, a 150 jenny and a 170 jenny to match any wind conditions. It just so happens that in the twenty to twenty-five knot trade wind conditions my working sails are perfectly suited. When the winds are light and fluky like they are in the summer here in the Keys close to the mainland the bigger headsails come into play. It's that simple. S.Simon - simply marvelous! "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple Simian, Just really think about the main advantage of a Mast Head Rig. Just like the rig on your "Banana Boat". You can vary the size of the Head Sail easier and vary the trim(Shape) better than the main Which does bring a question to my mind. Why is the Hoist on your new Jib so short, if you did the measuring? You know you short changed your sail area, which is woefully short to begin with. If you'd go back and read my adjustments about the Jib, you will find the various Trim adjustment. By the way, your vessel really needs a 150% headsail. With that working Jib you'll have trouble keeping up to that Kid's sailboat with the lollipop stick with the paper sail. If you're going to keep that short working Jib you better add a pendant to the tack to get the peak to the top of the mast. Ole Thom |
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