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Questions on 9/11 aircraft.
"Tarver Engineering" wrote in :
"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message ... Msnip Darn, Splaps, I can clearly recall lugging a data base loader out to all of our 767s and 757s to update the FMC database. In what way do you believe the "data base" would alter the flight plan, village idiot Knoyle? Oh jesus christ, he just never gives up, does he? IF a waypoint, heading, airway, local magentic variation, runway heading, sid, star, platform altitude, runway elevation, frequency, mora or a thousand other fjucking things change. any one of these will alter the plane, fjuckwit. Bertie |
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"Rule" wrote in
newsvQab.527307$uu5.88351@sccrnsc04: And by the way; one of the things I asked for was "something to help convince me you know what you're talking about." You came to usenet asking that? Jim knows what he's talking about. Bertie |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
: "Rule" wrote in message news:0Rlbb.536303$Ho3.92018@sccrnsc03... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Rule" wrote in message newsU9bb.536233$uu5.89498@sccrnsc04... I want the information so I can be a better informed citizen. As for "using it", why assume I have any plan at all for using it ? Here is the way I look at it rule: The NTSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of money and time promoting a lie about TWA 800 and so now we have a conspiracy theory that is not going to go away. It doesn't take much knowledge to know that didn't happen. "The NRSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of time and money promoting a lie"???? Please! Tell me more! Well sure, there is nothing wrong with the design of the 747, any more than there was a problem with rudder PCUs on 737s. The 747 was a bad retrofit, just like SR111, with the same Ostendorf as DER. Bad retrofit? Bwawhahwhhahwhahwhhahwhahwhhahwhahwh! Bertie |
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in : "Rule" wrote in message news:0Rlbb.536303$Ho3.92018@sccrnsc03... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Rule" wrote in message newsU9bb.536233$uu5.89498@sccrnsc04... I want the information so I can be a better informed citizen. As for "using it", why assume I have any plan at all for using it ? Here is the way I look at it rule: The NTSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of money and time promoting a lie about TWA 800 and so now we have a conspiracy theory that is not going to go away. It doesn't take much knowledge to know that didn't happen. "The NRSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of time and money promoting a lie"???? Please! Tell me more! Well sure, there is nothing wrong with the design of the 747, any more than there was a problem with rudder PCUs on 737s. The 747 was a bad retrofit, just like SR111, with the same Ostendorf as DER. Bad retrofit? Yep, upper deck galley add. |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in :
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in : "Rule" wrote in message news:0Rlbb.536303$Ho3.92018@sccrnsc03... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Rule" wrote in message newsU9bb.536233$uu5.89498@sccrnsc04... I want the information so I can be a better informed citizen. As for "using it", why assume I have any plan at all for using it ? Here is the way I look at it rule: The NTSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of money and time promoting a lie about TWA 800 and so now we have a conspiracy theory that is not going to go away. It doesn't take much knowledge to know that didn't happen. "The NRSB, ALPA and TWA spent a lot of time and money promoting a lie"???? Please! Tell me more! Well sure, there is nothing wrong with the design of the 747, any more than there was a problem with rudder PCUs on 737s. The 747 was a bad retrofit, just like SR111, with the same Ostendorf as DER. Bad retrofit? Yep, upper deck galley add. Bwawhaw Toaster short out on you splaps boy? Bertei |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote: Bad retrofit? Yep, upper deck galley add. This is in response to a response to a troll with the handle Bertie. In many cases he has chosen several newsgroups to crosspost this thread to. Please don't feed the trolls. It only feeds their sick little egos and pollutes the newsgroups further. Also, be kind to the mentally ill. Don't get into battles with them. Bertie isn't just a regular troll, he's spent years attacking alt.religion.asatru hurling personal insults and false accusations. He has done so using several accounts, too. Here's one. A glance at the number of postings shows that he is obsessive and paraniod: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...:A%40a.aaaaaa+ Note that he crossposts to get as many people involved as possible, another indication of mental illness. To show his level of obssession, glance at the sheer number of troll postings he has done on news:alt.religion.asatru (ARA): http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...eligion.asatru That search will take you back as far as 2001, and it will show many accounts he posts from, accounts that he uses to have conversations with himself, and so on. He has been trolling ARA since 1999. The man needs pity and medical help. One of his maccabre twists is that he accuses folks on ARA of being Nazis. There was a heathen revival in Germany and Austria in the 1920s and 10930s. Those people were among the first targets the real Nazis sent to their deaths in the concentration camps. The Jews were targetted when Germany and Austria ran out of heathens. Asatru and Nazism are polar opposites much like Judaism and Nazism because of this. Most of the documentation I've read about the pre-WWII Asatru revival has been in print, so I welcome web references the the writings of those who were killed in the camps. The Asatru Alliance's quarterly Vor Tru ran a series on them for several years. What is Asatru really about, then? I follow the old gods and goddesses known in northern Europe in the times before Christianity came through. Thor and Sif, Odin and Frigga, Ull and Skadhi and so on. Their adventures are recorded in the myths of the Norse, Saxons, Goths and so on across the sprectrum of Germanic peoples. Like any religion, Asatru teaches a moral code. It has lessons that lead a person to be a better person. It has Lore that was passed down from generation to generation until it contains lessons of everyday life. Dirk Buerre posts a large list of links to various Asatru resources. To give a quick idea of what Asatru is and who Asatruar, I offer a few of the ones I recommend to newcomers. I'm in the US so I'm most interested in US resources, especially ones that span borders: http://www.thetroth.org/ *The Troth http://www.friggasweb.org *Frigga's web http://www.irminsul.org/ *Irminsul Aettir http://alliance.eagleut.com/ *Asatru Alliance The starting point for read are the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda which are the best preserved Norse myths, and Saxo Grammaticus which contains mainland European versions of the old tales: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...049972-9079868 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...049972-9079868 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...049972-9079868 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...049972-9079868 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Hail Asgard! Doug Freyburger |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
: "Alfred Gantz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:12:14 -0700, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Laurence Doering" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:26:15 GMT, Rule wrote: "Rule" wrote in message news:qUzab.516307$YN5.343320@sccrnsc01... "Laurence Doering" wrote in message Would a nerve agent really be the best choice? What are the chances that somebody in the cockpit would go into convulsions and bump the aircraft's control yoke, disconnecting the autopilot? Does simply bumping the yoke automatically disconnect the autopilot? I was under the impression there was a little toggle-switch on the yoke involved here. Am I wrong? No, there normally is an autopilot disengage switch on the control yoke. That's used to turn off the autopilot when everything is normal. One potential problem with an automatic pilot is a "runaway", where the autopilot malfunctions and applies control inputs the pilot doesn't want. Autopilots are typically designed so that a certain amount of force on the control yoke will cause the autopilot to disengage, so that in the event of a runaway the pilot can simply grab the yoke and move it in the appropriate direction to regain control without having to fight the autopilot while reaching for the disconnect button. What lawerence writes of here is a small GA thing and is not used in Airliners, where the operator wishes to remain employed. Any modern autopilot which wishes to be certified by the FAA behaves more-or-less precisely as he describes. I would add that the autopilot generally senses control forces via the amount of electrical current required by the individual servos. Bull****, no airline pilot would have job after using the yoke to disengage the autopilot. although it is possible to disengage in the manner described, that method is one for spam cans. Bwawhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahw! You really have no idea at all, Splaps boy, do you? I would like to hear your description of how you believe one to operate, however. Back off Alfred, we don't need additional small GA kook trolls lying to the conspiricists. IOW Tarver doesn't know. Bertie |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in :
"Laurence Doering" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:26:15 GMT, Rule wrote: "Rule" wrote in message news:qUzab.516307$YN5.343320@sccrnsc01... "Laurence Doering" wrote in message Would a nerve agent really be the best choice? What are the chances that somebody in the cockpit would go into convulsions and bump the aircraft's control yoke, disconnecting the autopilot? Does simply bumping the yoke automatically disconnect the autopilot? I was under the impression there was a little toggle-switch on the yoke involved here. Am I wrong? No, there normally is an autopilot disengage switch on the control yoke. That's used to turn off the autopilot when everything is normal. One potential problem with an automatic pilot is a "runaway", where the autopilot malfunctions and applies control inputs the pilot doesn't want. Autopilots are typically designed so that a certain amount of force on the control yoke will cause the autopilot to disengage, so that in the event of a runaway the pilot can simply grab the yoke and move it in the appropriate direction to regain control without having to fight the autopilot while reaching for the disconnect button. What lawerence writes of here is a small GA thing and is not used in Airliners, where the operator wishes to remain employed. Bwawhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahh w! Want to see the checklist for a runaway trim on just about anyhting flying fjuckwit? they all start with "grab the goddamn stick and push/pull as appropriate, whether to operate the stab brake, do a supervisory over ride, disengage the autopilot or give th eoperator time to flip the cutout switches. Clueless ****. Bertie |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
: "Alfred Gantz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:21:16 -0700, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Alfred Gantz" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:12:14 -0700, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Laurence Doering" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:26:15 GMT, Rule wrote: "Rule" wrote in message news:qUzab.516307$YN5.343320@sccrnsc01... "Laurence Doering" wrote in message Would a nerve agent really be the best choice? What are the chances that somebody in the cockpit would go into convulsions and bump the aircraft's control yoke, disconnecting the autopilot? Does simply bumping the yoke automatically disconnect the autopilot? I was under the impression there was a little toggle-switch on the yoke involved here. Am I wrong? No, there normally is an autopilot disengage switch on the control yoke. That's used to turn off the autopilot when everything is normal. One potential problem with an automatic pilot is a "runaway", where the autopilot malfunctions and applies control inputs the pilot doesn't want. Autopilots are typically designed so that a certain amount of force on the control yoke will cause the autopilot to disengage, so that in the event of a runaway the pilot can simply grab the yoke and move it in the appropriate direction to regain control without having to fight the autopilot while reaching for the disconnect button. What lawerence writes of here is a small GA thing and is not used in Airliners, where the operator wishes to remain employed. Any modern autopilot which wishes to be certified by the FAA behaves more-or-less precisely as he describes. I would add that the autopilot generally senses control forces via the amount of electrical current required by the individual servos. Bull****, no airline pilot would have job after using the yoke to disengage the autopilot. although it is possible to disengage in the manner described, that method is one for spam cans. The scenario he was using was one of a "runaway" Runaways autopilots are also a small GA phenonema; please do not post lies about transports. It is counter productive to terrify passengers with your lying and ignorance. We do not need kook spam can operators making up lies and posting them. Good grief Splaps boy, Is there any little detail of how an airplane works that you can't get wrong? Bertie |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
: "Alfred Gantz" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:43:08 -0700, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Alfred Gantz" wrote in message . .. snip Care to further denigrate yourself, Mr. Tarver? No, we are way past done, dip****. HAND, moron. Don't confuse your spam can with a flying robot, Gantz. Please, what did I tell yo about advertising yur sex life, splaps boy? Bertie |
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