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Announcment of Outlawry
Nik wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:34:10 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:27:25 +1200, Nik wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:02:44 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:07:08 +1200, Nik wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:01:33 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: Oh, Fantastic! The paddy Are you talking about me? If so, tell me who it was that founded Dublin, Cork and Limerick...Who was Sigtrig Silkbeard? Where was he King of? The link of modern-day Irish to the samll number of Germanic forebearers is tenuous at best. No its not. Do you know what Galway means? How about Baile naGall? The Norse and Irish considered themselves quite distinct, enough so that the Irish kicked the Norse out at the Battle of Clontarf. No they didn't. They were allowed to remain but in a much more quiescent manner. The description of the Irish by the Norse in the sagas are quite unflattering, and to some modern readers, seem almost comical. That is to be expected of rivals, so that isn't a big deal. Which Saga, in particular, are you speaking of? The modern Irish owe most of the Germanic contributions to their culture to the English, not the Norse. There are word in Gaelic that are undeniably of Norse origin. /polack/hun "asatru" alliance has just declared someone an outlaw. If you were speaking of me, I have not explicitly done anything either way on this matter. I didn't say you did anything. I am somewhat dismayed at people using archaic Norse terms and customs to modern day situations without understanding their ramifications. The people doing this do not have Norse ancestry, but most importantly "outlawery'" can be used for political gain. Mr. Dokken should be shunned and banned from groups, but is this "outlawery", whcih would predicate his murder? Mr. Dokken may very well deserve outlawery, but what does the paddy/polack/bavarian hun convention have anything to do with this. They seem power-mad to me, as their historic precedence has shown. shakes head As stated above I was referring to the use of "outlawery" in modern-day heathen groups for political or personal gain. Most "outlaweries" that I know of were for political reasons. I've never "outlawed" anyone although I'm inclined to agree with outlawing Dokken. Mr. Dokken obviously deserves to be recognized for what he is and everyone should be aware of his crimes. Indeed. If someone with NORTHERN GERMANIC BLOOD ever joined these groups, or their crusade, then everyone involved would probably have a heart attack. Plenty of people in this newsgroup would have Northern Germanic Blood... I am quite aware of that, but it should be more than plenty, it should be the majority. There's no "should" about it. It is highly likely though, that this is the case. This is an incendinary post, but I am sick and tired of this bull****. We know you by your words. I stand up by what I say and if I say something that is wrong , then I say so. Looking back, I should not have used the ethnic perjoratives. By your words we know you. (after Nik states seveal anecdotal points not related to my last statement) I note that you've not replied to my comments about Ireland and the Norse influence. The very name of the country and its capital were named by Norsemen. The influence of Norsemen in Ireland is more important than you seem to realise. The name "Dublin" is in itself a Gaelic word meaning "Black or Deep Pool" but it was picked by Norsemen. The Gaelic name for Dublin is Baile Atha Cliath. More importantly, by my actions you will know me. Indeed actions are more important than words but as it stands, given that we're not physically in each other's presence tis words that matter here. tis, tis it? Bwawhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw! Bertie |
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Announcment of Outlawry
Nik wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:38:03 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:27:25 +1200, Nik wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:02:44 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:07:08 +1200, Nik wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:01:33 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: Oh, Fantastic! The paddy Are you talking about me? If so, tell me who it was that founded Dublin, Cork and Limerick...Who was Sigtrig Silkbeard? Where was he King of? The link of modern-day Irish to the samll number of Germanic forebearers is tenuous at best. No its not. Do you know what Galway means? How about Baile naGall? The Norse and Irish considered themselves quite distinct, enough so that the Irish kicked the Norse out at the Battle of Clontarf. No they didn't. They were allowed to remain but in a much more quiescent manner. The description of the Irish by the Norse in the sagas are quite unflattering, and to some modern readers, seem almost comical. That is to be expected of rivals, so that isn't a big deal. Which Saga, in particular, are you speaking of? The modern Irish owe most of the Germanic contributions to their culture to the English, not the Norse. There are word in Gaelic that are undeniably of Norse origin. /polack/hun "asatru" alliance has just declared someone an outlaw. If you were speaking of me, I have not explicitly done anything either way on this matter. I didn't say you did anything. I am somewhat dismayed at people using archaic Norse terms and customs to modern day situations without understanding their ramifications. The people doing this do not have Norse ancestry, but most importantly "outlawery'" can be used for political gain. Mr. Dokken should be shunned and banned from groups, but is this "outlawery", whcih would predicate his murder? Mr. Dokken may very well deserve outlawery, but what does the paddy/polack/bavarian hun convention have anything to do with this. They seem power-mad to me, as their historic precedence has shown. shakes head As stated above I was referring to the use of "outlawery" in modern-day heathen groups for political or personal gain. Most "outlaweries" that I know of were for political reasons. I've never "outlawed" anyone although I'm inclined to agree with outlawing Dokken. Mr. Dokken obviously deserves to be recognized for what he is and everyone should be aware of his crimes. Indeed. If someone with NORTHERN GERMANIC BLOOD ever joined these groups, or their crusade, then everyone involved would probably have a heart attack. Plenty of people in this newsgroup would have Northern Germanic Blood... I am quite aware of that, but it should be more than plenty, it should be the majority. There's no "should" about it. It is highly likely though, that this is the case. This is an incendinary post, but I am sick and tired of this bull****. We know you by your words. I stand up by what I say and if I say something that is wrong , then I say so. Looking back, I should not have used the ethnic perjoratives. By your words we know you. If you are offended by my speech, then .... *You* were the one who was implying that a "Paddy" ought not be here or talking about Heathen issues and it was me that took you up on it, being the most Irish one here. I pointed out some of the "Norseness" of Ireland and you, in your ignorance, made comments about the Vikings being kicked out of Ireland after Clontarf. It is true that Ireland's history was at a crossroads in 1014 A.D. but it is NOT true that given that Ard Ri Brian Boru's forces held the day in the biggest battle EVER fought on Irish soil that the Vikings were kicked out, as you claimed. That, is simply not true. By your words you do not belong here. Hahahaha....you've got a career in stand up comedy... It is because of people like you that people are creating private yahoo goups without keeping track of this newsgroup (A.R.A.) Those people have abandoned their posts. Not me. Think about it. No, you think about what you've said and why it is both wrong and intended to offend. I am meaning the "Paddy" reference as if it is some sort of disqualification from being Asatru...you're sounding like Bertie/Roger Williams there...that was his argument... Bwawhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwh a! But you said I refused to argue anything Njikky. So, which is the lie? Bertie |
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Nik wrote in
: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:15:12 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:06:11 +1200, Nik wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:34:10 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:27:25 +1200, Nik wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:02:44 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:07:08 +1200, Nik wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:01:33 GMT, Derrick Parfitt wrote: cut I am aware of the Norse influence on Ireland. We disagree on the amount of Norse contribution to Ireland. I've spent time actually on the ground looking at Norse remains. I lived for 12 months in exactly the area that Norsemen lived in 1000 years ago. I've been to Tolka Wood where Brian Boru camped the night before the Battle of Clontarf 1014, I've been to Clontarf itself. I was lined up to be the assistant manager at the "Dublin Viking Adventure" until the Dublin Corporation, in its infinite wisdom (not!) closed it down. I've given lectures in Dublin on Viking Dublin. I feel that the Norse were a minor affect. There are still Norse words in modern Irish Gaelic, for example, "Bord" for table, "Gard" for policeman, "Ruin" for secret...and more... Ooow the invader is so proud. Bertie |
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Announcment of Outlawry
Nik wrote in
: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:22:45 +0100, "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" wrote: "Derrick Parfitt" wrote in message . .. Nik, I am aware of the Norse influence on Ireland. We disagree on the amount of Norse contribution to Ireland. I feel that the Norse were a minor affect. The issue seems to be what is the definition of "minor affect" or "major affect". The definitions would depend on the individual person. I would have thought that would be settled by a genetic analysis. Cultural impact is not the same thing as genetic impact. so important to you nazis, isn;t it? Bertie |
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