What've you got against Australians and their regs?
I'd say they're Chief Mates are every bit as good or
perhaps better than their American counterparts if you
and Shen are any indication.

The fact remains there are plenty of damned foreigners
operating ships on the high seas. Matter of fact, there's
more of them than there is of us. Even Shen wouldn't
argue that fact. Shipping is an international industry.
People who work cheap are the ones most often
employed. Foreigners work cheap! They're not
used to the high standards of living we enjoy in
the U.S.of A.

Maybe if you and Shen got off those little tugboats
on the Western Rivers you'd know a little more
about the world. You guys don't fool me! It's too
easy to show you up. You can't be real Unlimited
Ocean Masters.

Australians have Class 1 and Class 2 Chief Mates.
The link I found proves it beyond a doubt.
I knew it all along but Shen, who's supposed to be some
big-time, know-it-all muckity muck, was ignorant of
the fact. He never even heard of it. He was gloating
because he thought he had caught in a corner.
S'matter Mr. Shen - never had an Australian Mate?

I'd say I proved him wrong and showed his ignorance
and thus I won the argument. You guys underestimated
me yet again. Even the two of you working together
can't hold a candle to me - what do you call me, a
'novice captain'? He's just upset and isn't replying
because to be beat by a 25GT Nearshore Master
when he claims to be an Unlimited Master has got
to be humiliating.

He he he he he!

S.Simon - a Nearshore Master who's the equal of any
of the top ratings


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
EG Figured you were trying to pull one of your stupid woid games, but
wasn't sure which country you would be using.
How long did it take to find the Australian regs?
Kindly note that all the "Classes" really refer to is tonnage
restrictions on a license, not the duties.
As to underestimating you, not hardly .... you've got an overblown ego,
with no substance, and experience, to back it up.
Sorry neally, reading from some manual about CM duties, doesn't make you
knowledgeable about those duties, as was quite evident from what you quoted.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
Unfortunately . . .

Otn, constantly underestimates me and uses scorn instead
of an open mind. You, at least, are a worthy when it comes
to discussions which you lose to me more often than not
in the end. But, at least you refuse to give up and that's a
necessary and good quality when it comes to success on
the high seas.

Could it be otn wanted you to stop treating with me because
he sensed I was about to spring yet another trap? (As I have
done in my reply to you with a link proving classes of Chief
Mates are valid?) Nah! the fellow isn't that bright, I'm afraid.

S.Simon - otn's nemisis and your mentor


"Shen44" wrote in message ...

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: otnmbrd
Date: 09/03/2003 17:23 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Give it a rest, Simple Simian, it's obvious you're reading from a book
and have no "first hand" experience.
Shen, same applies (give it a rest), Simple's proved, once again, he
hasn't a clue .... he's still and always will be, a licensed wannabe.

otn

Sheesh, you can be such an old phart, at times. Neal's fun .... he's a
knowitallrankamateur, who stubs his toe more often than you can see yours.
Now, I'll admit he's lacking in experience, but at least he tries (even if he
fails in his attempts, 99.99999% of the time).

Shen

Comments, as needed .....

Simple Simon wrote:
What've you got against Australians and their regs?
I'd say they're Chief Mates are every bit as good or
perhaps better than their American counterparts if you
and Shen are any indication.

GHave nothing agin them, but there licensing has nothing to do with
duties of a 1st Mate, which you obviously didn't know.
Class1 or Class 2, the 1st Mate is the Cargo King, and you didn't know that.

The fact remains there are plenty of damned foreigners
operating ships on the high seas. Matter of fact, there's
more of them than there is of us. Even Shen wouldn't
argue that fact. Shipping is an international industry.
People who work cheap are the ones most often
employed. Foreigners work cheap! They're not
used to the high standards of living we enjoy in
the U.S.of A.

And your point is? The subject was duties of the 1st Mate ....
typically, you blew it.

Maybe if you and Shen got off those little tugboats
on the Western Rivers you'd know a little more
about the world. You guys don't fool me! It's too
easy to show you up. You can't be real Unlimited
Ocean Masters.

BG I only get on tugboats, to get where I'm going .... a ship.
Lame try to change the subject, Neally .... but, up to your limited
standards and abilities.

Australians have Class 1 and Class 2 Chief Mates.
The link I found proves it beyond a doubt.
I knew it all along but Shen, who's supposed to be some
big-time, know-it-all muckity muck, was ignorant of
the fact. He never even heard of it. He was gloating
because he thought he had caught in a corner.
S'matter Mr. Shen - never had an Australian Mate?

We sailed on US flag ships .... Australian Mates not allowed, and as I
said, the classes you are so fond of trying to mention, have nothing to
do with the question he asked .... wassamatter, can't admit another failure?

I'd say I proved him wrong and showed his ignorance
and thus I won the argument. You guys underestimated
me yet again. Even the two of you working together
can't hold a candle to me - what do you call me, a
'novice captain'? He's just upset and isn't replying
because to be beat by a 25GT Nearshore Master
when he claims to be an Unlimited Master has got
to be humiliating.

He he he he he!

S.Simon - a Nearshore Master who's the equal of any
of the top ratings

BEG You are pathetic. You lost, period. You couldn't answer the
question, and as per usual tried the BS route to cover your butt.....and
failed miserably, as per usual...... You're like some guy who's trying
to shovel the Horse manure out of a stall, into a 30k breeze coming
through the stall door ..... and can't understand why he's not getting
anywhere and is covered in chit.

otn