Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of digital
charts.

For instance in the Catamaran that I race occasionally, we have a laptop
setup in each hull connected to it's own GPS. The screen is mounted in such
a way that the helmsman can easily see it. That means he always has the
exact location of the vessel visualized right in front of him. If one system
goes down there is always the other to revert to. Much safer than a paper
chart that is almost always on the verge of blowing overboard.

There is no way having one set of paper charts ( which is the stoneage(
stoneage = pre millenium ) setup ) can be safer than having two redundant
systems with digital charts. Someone might of course say that two laptops is
mighty expensive. To that I answer h-ll no. You don't need the latest
megapixeled superHz multimedia gizmo. Digital charts are run absolutely 100%
satisfactory from a laptop several years old. Actually the ones I've used
have almost been given to me. If you have vectorized charts you don't even
need a big harddisk on them.

The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom. If you need to buy new charts a
phone- or radio- call coupled with your paypal or credit card No will give
you an access code that immediately opens up your new charts that are
already installed on your PC. You can actually have brand new charts without
even going ashore, much less finding a store that will sell those old
stoneage paper charts to you.

If you want to be a real sailor, follow my advice, burn your charts and join
me into this new age that is dawning upon us. While you're at it, through
out that old compass you got that is nothing but a waste of fine spirits.

--
Perre

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Excellent ... this would be a great idea for sailors who are a little rusty
with Basic Nav. Why spend all that time planning and plotting when a
computer can do it for you. Short or long passages can be plotted and even
recorded. Tie it all in with your navigational instruments to have a
complete record available to put those naysayers questioning your skills or
passage routing to rest.

If I had 12 bucks for every chart that flew overboard while in mid plot on a
line of sight passage... why I'd be as broke as I am now. Thank you Per for
this timely and valuable information. You should consider contacting
Bobsprit off line to forward this... I'm certain he could wire it into his
DVD recorder and produce a split screen mpeg of his ventures.

BTW - how many shares did you buy??

CM



"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
| Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
| charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or eaten
| by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
| charts.
|
| For instance in the Catamaran that I race occasionally, we have a laptop
| setup in each hull connected to it's own GPS. The screen is mounted in
such
| a way that the helmsman can easily see it. That means he always has the
| exact location of the vessel visualized right in front of him. If one
system
| goes down there is always the other to revert to. Much safer than a paper
| chart that is almost always on the verge of blowing overboard.
|
| There is no way having one set of paper charts ( which is the stoneage(
| stoneage = pre millenium ) setup ) can be safer than having two redundant
| systems with digital charts. Someone might of course say that two laptops
is
| mighty expensive. To that I answer h-ll no. You don't need the latest
| megapixeled superHz multimedia gizmo. Digital charts are run absolutely
100%
| satisfactory from a laptop several years old. Actually the ones I've used
| have almost been given to me. If you have vectorized charts you don't even
| need a big harddisk on them.
|
| The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom. If you need to buy new charts a
| phone- or radio- call coupled with your paypal or credit card No will give
| you an access code that immediately opens up your new charts that are
| already installed on your PC. You can actually have brand new charts
without
| even going ashore, much less finding a store that will sell those old
| stoneage paper charts to you.
|
| If you want to be a real sailor, follow my advice, burn your charts and
join
| me into this new age that is dawning upon us. While you're at it, through
| out that old compass you got that is nothing but a waste of fine spirits.
|
| --
| Perre
|
| You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.
|
|

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Excellent ... this would be a great idea for sailors who are a
little rusty with Basic Nav. Why spend all that time planning and
plotting when a computer can do it for you. Short or long passages
can be plotted and even recorded. Tie it all in with your
navigational instruments to have a complete record available to put
those naysayers questioning your skills or passage routing to rest.


You're getting the picture, that would be this entire NG.

If I had 12 bucks for every chart that flew overboard while in mid
plot on a line of sight passage... why I'd be as broke as I am now.

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at sea.... why
I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste the occasional twelve
bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

BTW - how many shares did you buy??


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

--
Perre

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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

| If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at sea....
why
| I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste the occasional twelve
| bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you watch yet
another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with all your plots
and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma while you warm your
hands on the fried circuit boards of your high tech navigational array.


| Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at
sea.... why I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste the
occasional twelve bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you watch
yet another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with all
your plots and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma while
you warm your hands on the fried circuit boards of your high tech
navigational array.


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Don't worry Moroon. If this thread does it's job, everybody on a.s.a will
let their paper charts fly with the winds and you can collect a bundle of 12
dollar bills. You can also empty the spirits in your compass down your
throat. That'll save you maybe half a bottle of Overproof.

--
Perre

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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
charts.


What Operating System do real sailors use to run their navigation S/W on?

Regards


Donal
--

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom.

That's pretty sad....I think it may be time to get a lobotomy...
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

You can't be so dumb to not know of the USCG requirement
for all their licensed Captains and Masters to have a PAPER
chart of the area aboard their vessels. Electronic simply won't
do.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message ...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at
sea.... why I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste the
occasional twelve bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you watch
yet another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with all
your plots and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma while
you warm your hands on the fried circuit boards of your high tech
navigational array.


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Don't worry Moroon. If this thread does it's job, everybody on a.s.a will
let their paper charts fly with the winds and you can collect a bundle of 12
dollar bills. You can also empty the spirits in your compass down your
throat. That'll save you maybe half a bottle of Overproof.

--
Perre

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:36:03 -0400, "katysails"
wrote:


The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom.

That's pretty sad....I think it may be time to get a lobotomy...

What, and get to Bob's intellect? Scary.

PDW

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:42:23 +1000, The Captains Master wrote this
crap:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:36:09 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom.

The Galaxy is on Orions belt

I got a neighbor with a Galaxy in his garage.





Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

I got a neighbor with a Galaxy in his garage.

I drove my Dad's Ford Galaxy 500 when i was in high school...thing could =
cruise at 115 mph no problemo...
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Linix or if you must Unix. Or, if you really must OS X.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or
eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
charts.


What Operating System do real sailors use to run their navigation S/W on?

Regards


Donal
--

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Did you have to do community service or did you get jail
time?

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:42:23 +1000, The Captains Master wrote this
crap:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:36:09 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom.

The Galaxy is on Orions belt

I got a neighbor with a Galaxy in his garage.





Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

I bought a Mac laptop a year ago. It's the one I take with me when I
travel. My HP laptop just sits on the desk.

Still, for serious database servers and fast logging systems, I prefer
Sun Microsystems and Solaris. It has always worked.

PDW

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:09:16 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Linix or if you must Unix. Or, if you really must OS X.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or
eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
charts.


What Operating System do real sailors use to run their navigation S/W on?

Regards


Donal
--

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Who the hell is a USCG licensed Captain or Master? I'm not and I refuse to
spend any more money on updating my papercharts, when I can spend it on far
more superior electronic charts.

--
Perre

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"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You can't be so dumb to not know of the USCG requirement
for all their licensed Captains and Masters to have a PAPER
chart of the area aboard their vessels. Electronic simply won't
do.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at
sea.... why I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste the
occasional twelve bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you watch
yet another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with all
your plots and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma while
you warm your hands on the fried circuit boards of your high tech
navigational array.


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Don't worry Moroon. If this thread does it's job, everybody on a.s.a
will
let their paper charts fly with the winds and you can collect a bundle
of 12
dollar bills. You can also empty the spirits in your compass down your
throat. That'll save you maybe half a bottle of Overproof.

--
Perre

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Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...

The whole world can be placed on a CD-Rom.

That's pretty sad....I think it may be time to get a lobotomy...


Don't you even dare to think that thought.
--
Perre

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:36:09 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote this crap:

Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or
eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
charts.

You're an idiot. My charts are kept in the nav station, where they


Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the helmsman can
see them and nowhere else.

can't go overboard, and there are no rats on a good ship.

You're correct. You're a rat and you don't have a good ship.

What do you do if your batteries all go dead?


Real sailors don't let their batteries go dead. There is absolutely no
excuse for that to happen.

--
Perre

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The Captains Master wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the helmsman
can
see them and nowhere else.

Huh?
What do you sail, an Atlantic freighter?
How do you keep the chart in front of the helmsman on a yacht?



I don't you upsidedowner. I place a screen with an electronic chart in front
of the helmsman.

--
Perre

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:34:44 +1000, The Captains Master
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:32:13 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

I am in total agreement you headhopping kangaroo. I hope the NG doesn't
hold
that against me. If you want the helmsman to know where you are going
you'll
have to give him an electronic chart. Paper charts in the cockpit are
too
easíly lost. On the other hand the Moroon could probably use the 12
bucks
but then again he'd just waste it on Rum.

Headhopping kangaroo?
Must be the aquavit!



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Like my new email address?
Heh heh, now to log onto a few porn sites with that address :-)




Please tell us. At what point did you lose it?
Must be from bouncing around upside down on your head all day.

--
Perre

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Don't you even dare to think that thought.
--
Perre

I will if you persist in such a lubberly fashion...electronic charts? =
Where's the romance? Where's the glory? What about all those pathetic =
little pencil marks, lovingly placed every trip with each new find? =
What if someone blows the friggin satellite up? What f you can't get =
near enough to a K-Mart to get new ones (let alone steal new ones like =
one person here)? Perre, you've been brainwashed into the 2st century. =
Technology isn't everything. I refuse to give up my wonderful rolled up =
charts (BTW, we buy them on proected paper). I refuse to give up the =
compass and dividers. =20
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

I place a screen with an electronic chart in front
of the helmsman.

And then what happens when a big wave goes S{LOOSH and takes the thing =
overboard? (the screen, not the navigator)

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:10:20 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You call your friends on your cellular phone and tell them to
come get you.

Why do you turn every post into one of your homosexual fantasies?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote this crap:

You're an idiot. My charts are kept in the nav station, where they


Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the helmsman can
see them and nowhere else.

Why should the helmsman look at the charts? He's got enough to do.
Watching the charts is the job of the navigator. The helmsman should
be watching the instruments, the sails, and the water. He doesn't
have time to look at charts.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:21:56 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote this crap:



I don't you upsidedowner. I place a screen with an electronic chart in front
of the helmsman.

That's a good way to lose your laptop.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

You said you got your neighbor with a Galaxy. Are you
now claiming you didn't?

I fail to see how "getting him with a Galaxy" is a gay
troll. Care to explain that? Or did you mis-read it and
think I wrote "IN a Galaxy"?????

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:09:47 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Did you have to do community service or did you get jail
time?

For what? Not everyone's been in jail, and poked in the butt, like
you.

Why do you turn every post into one of your homosexual fantasies?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Hmmmm.... perhaps you should mention your predelictions to
your "girlfriend."

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:10:20 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You call your friends on your cellular phone and tell them to
come get you.

Why do you turn every post into one of your homosexual fantasies?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Especially not before leaving the dock. Of course, that's not
an issue for you, since you get your fags, I mean flags in a bar.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote this crap:

You're an idiot. My charts are kept in the nav station, where they


Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the helmsman
can
see them and nowhere else.

Why should the helmsman look at the charts? He's got enough to do.
Watching the charts is the job of the navigator. The helmsman should
be watching the instruments, the sails, and the water. He doesn't
have time to look at charts.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

katysails wrote:
Don't you even dare to think that thought.
--
Perre

I will if you persist in such a lubberly fashion...electronic charts?
Where's the romance? Where's the glory? What about all those
pathetic little pencil marks, lovingly placed every trip with each
new find? What if someone blows the friggin satellite up? What f
you can't get near enough to a K-Mart to get new ones (let alone
steal new ones like one person here)? Perre, you've been brainwashed
into the 2st century. Technology isn't everything. I refuse to give
up my wonderful rolled up charts (BTW, we buy them on proected
paper). I refuse to give up the compass and dividers.

Sigh.
What am I gonna do with you? How about if I let you keep one chart rolled up
and a pencil to go with it.
--
Perre

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katysails wrote:
I place a screen with an electronic chart in front
of the helmsman.

And then what happens when a big wave goes S{LOOSH and takes the
thing overboard? (the screen, not the navigator)

I wouldn't put it in such a way that it could happen. How many times has
your flushmounted compass been washed aoverboard?
--
Perre

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It's the opposite of what you might thing. Rather than
being a victim of the USCG tests and regulations I'm
a beneficiary of a superior knowledge and understanding
of how the COLREGS apply and how to become a safer,
saner and more responsible sailor. The things I know that,
all by themselves, will keep me from being 'at fault' in any
possible close quarters situation or collision will allow me
to sue the **** out of any motorboater who is unfortunate
enough to hit me. In this manner I can parlay a small
investment in time and study into a brand new, million-dollar
yacht. Better yet, I might decide to start a new world class
yacht company named "Coronado Yachts" and build my
own perfect sailboat. You wouldn't be interested, though,
because the perfect yacht has only ONE hull.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message ...
No no. I am bragging about being a real sailor and not somebody tied up by
regulations and ´certifications. I can make the correct decision based upon
what is happening. You have to make the correct decision based upon whether
you want to keep your license or not.

And yes I am not a professional seafarer althoough I am a real sailor. You
just don't have the guts to stand up and say. BURN THOSE PAPER CHARTS.

Comer to think of it you are starting to sound like you are a victim of the
USCG. How did you ever manage to put yourself in such a spot? Please don't
tell me you had *fun* in the makings of that. If you did I will never again
read your lessons for novices.

Simple Simon wrote:
That's fine. Knock yourself out! But, I don't have that
option. It's much easier for you because you've nothing
in the way of certification or skills so you've nothing to
lose. In a way you're bragging about being an amateur.
Like I said, knock yourself out.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Who the hell is a USCG licensed Captain or Master? I'm not and I
refuse to
spend any more money on updating my papercharts, when I can spend it
on far
more superior electronic charts.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You can't be so dumb to not know of the USCG requirement
for all their licensed Captains and Masters to have a PAPER
chart of the area aboard their vessels. Electronic simply won't
do.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at
sea.... why I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't waste
the
occasional twelve bucks that came my way on Rum and painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you
watch
yet another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with
all
your plots and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma
while
you warm your hands on the fried circuit boards of your high tech
navigational array.


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Don't worry Moroon. If this thread does it's job, everybody on
a.s.a
will
let their paper charts fly with the winds and you can collect a
bundle
of 12
dollar bills. You can also empty the spirits in your compass down
your
throat. That'll save you maybe half a bottle of Overproof.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Are you repeating yourself to make sure I get this?
No you are the victim because you have to comply with those regulations
even when they are not beneficial to you. I can study the ColRegs and apply
them and use them the same way you do. Except I don't have to have any
friggin' paper charts onboard.

We could always put training wheels on your Coronado yachts and sell them as
Trimarans. We could actually make a nice scam out of this you know. At the
appropriate moment I could let a paper chart fly into the face of the
skipper on the yielding vessel. He'd be so blinded by this that he would not
take the appropriate action and you could sue the **** out of him.

Simple Simon wrote:
It's the opposite of what you might thing. Rather than
being a victim of the USCG tests and regulations I'm
a beneficiary of a superior knowledge and understanding
of how the COLREGS apply and how to become a safer,
saner and more responsible sailor. The things I know that,
all by themselves, will keep me from being 'at fault' in any
possible close quarters situation or collision will allow me
to sue the **** out of any motorboater who is unfortunate
enough to hit me. In this manner I can parlay a small
investment in time and study into a brand new, million-dollar
yacht. Better yet, I might decide to start a new world class
yacht company named "Coronado Yachts" and build my
own perfect sailboat. You wouldn't be interested, though,
because the perfect yacht has only ONE hull.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
No no. I am bragging about being a real sailor and not somebody tied
up by
regulations and ´certifications. I can make the correct decision
based upon
what is happening. You have to make the correct decision based upon
whether
you want to keep your license or not.

And yes I am not a professional seafarer althoough I am a real
sailor. You
just don't have the guts to stand up and say. BURN THOSE PAPER
CHARTS.

Comer to think of it you are starting to sound like you are a victim
of the
USCG. How did you ever manage to put yourself in such a spot? Please
don't
tell me you had *fun* in the makings of that. If you did I will
never again
read your lessons for novices.

Simple Simon wrote:
That's fine. Knock yourself out! But, I don't have that
option. It's much easier for you because you've nothing
in the way of certification or skills so you've nothing to
lose. In a way you're bragging about being an amateur.
Like I said, knock yourself out.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Who the hell is a USCG licensed Captain or Master? I'm not and I
refuse to
spend any more money on updating my papercharts, when I can spend
it
on far
more superior electronic charts.

--
Perre

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"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You can't be so dumb to not know of the USCG requirement
for all their licensed Captains and Masters to have a PAPER
chart of the area aboard their vessels. Electronic simply won't
do.

S.Simon


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

If I had 12 bucks for every GPS or laptop that malfunctioned at
sea.... why I'd be poorer than you, even though I wouldn't
waste
the
occasional twelve bucks that came my way on Rum and
painkillers.

Don't knock it... it's liquid courage to fortify you while you
watch
yet another paper chart flying like a psycho kite downwind with
all
your plots and data. It's also good for post lightening trauma
while
you warm your hands on the fried circuit boards of your high
tech
navigational array.


Not enough. Wanna do a joint venture.

I'm broke ... frickin cost of charts are killin' me!

CM

Don't worry Moroon. If this thread does it's job, everybody on
a.s.a
will
let their paper charts fly with the winds and you can collect a
bundle
of 12
dollar bills. You can also empty the spirits in your compass down
your
throat. That'll save you maybe half a bottle of Overproof.

--
Perre

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--
Perre

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Perre

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Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Sigh.
What am I gonna do with you? How about if I let you keep one chart =
rolled up
and a pencil to go with it.
--
Perre

Ain't worth nuttin without the compass and dividers....
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

How many times has
your flushmounted compass been washed aoverboard?

Our compass is mounted on the binacle...you're going to mount the vga =
screen on the bulkhead like a flat screen tc? good gravy, man...you've =
really lost it....one misplaced winch handle flying across the cockpit =
and there goes your technology....
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Can't make a good gasket from silicon doncha know.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

Don't you even dare to think that thought.
--
Perre

I will if you persist in such a lubberly fashion...electronic charts? Where's the romance? Where's the glory? What about all those pathetic little pencil marks, lovingly placed every trip with each new find? What if someone blows the friggin satellite up? What f you can't get near enough to a K-Mart to get new ones (let alone steal new ones like one person here)? Perre, you've been brainwashed into the 2st century. Technology isn't everything. I refuse to give up my wonderful rolled up charts (BTW, we buy them on proected paper). I refuse to give up the compass and dividers.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

katysails wrote:
How many times has
your flushmounted compass been washed aoverboard?

Our compass is mounted on the binacle...you're going to mount the vga
screen on the bulkhead like a flat screen tc? good gravy,
man...you've really lost it....one misplaced winch handle flying
across the cockpit and there goes your technology....

Katy, you have to stop throwing those winch handles around when you get
upset.


--
Perre

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Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Investing money in rum is never wasted.

PDW

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:32:13 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

The Captains Master wrote in message
.. .
c Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:21:56 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

The Captains Master wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the
helmsman
can
see them and nowhere else.

Huh?
What do you sail, an Atlantic freighter?
How do you keep the chart in front of the helmsman on a yacht?



I don't you upsidedowner. I place a screen with an electronic chart in
front
of the helmsman.

Of course you permafrosted porkchop.
But you said you put a paper chart up, never ever had a paper chart in
the cockpit, too easily lost!



I am in total agreement you headhopping kangaroo. I hope the NG doesn't hold
that against me. If you want the helmsman to know where you are going you'll
have to give him an electronic chart. Paper charts in the cockpit are too
easíly lost. On the other hand the Moroon could probably use the 12 bucks
but then again he'd just waste it on Rum.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

****ing it away?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

Investing money in rum is never wasted.

PDW

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:32:13 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:


The Captains Master wrote in message
. ..

c Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:21:56 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:


The Captains Master wrote in message
m...

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the

helmsman

can

see them and nowhere else.


Huh?
What do you sail, an Atlantic freighter?
How do you keep the chart in front of the helmsman on a yacht?



I don't you upsidedowner. I place a screen with an electronic chart in

front

of the helmsman.

Of course you permafrosted porkchop.
But you said you put a paper chart up, never ever had a paper chart in
the cockpit, too easily lost!



I am in total agreement you headhopping kangaroo. I hope the NG doesn't hold
that against me. If you want the helmsman to know where you are going you'll
have to give him an electronic chart. Paper charts in the cockpit are too
easíly lost. On the other hand the Moroon could probably use the 12 bucks
but then again he'd just waste it on Rum.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Nice Per, but I've noticed, not a single strike from the wily Bobfish! You
have to remember, the Bobfish is a bottom feeder, you have to come up with a
particularly rancid bait if you hope to land one of these trophies.
John Cairns

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to have
paper
charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for instance, or eaten
by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a redundant system of
digital
charts.

Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

Hey, if you buy rum instead of charts, you may not know where you are,
but you won't care either. That's a lot better than the alternative
for someone like Bob, who could spend money on charts and still not
know where he was.

PDW

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:41:23 +1200, The_navigator©
wrote:

****ing it away?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

Investing money in rum is never wasted.

PDW

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:32:13 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:


The Captains Master wrote in message
...

c Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:21:56 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:


The Captains Master wrote in message
om...

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:51:41 +0200, "Per Elmsäter"
wrote:

Navstation. Holy mackerel. What do you think you've got? An Atlantic
freighter. Charts whether paper or electronic belong where the

helmsman

can

see them and nowhere else.


Huh?
What do you sail, an Atlantic freighter?
How do you keep the chart in front of the helmsman on a yacht?



I don't you upsidedowner. I place a screen with an electronic chart in

front

of the helmsman.

Of course you permafrosted porkchop.
But you said you put a paper chart up, never ever had a paper chart in
the cockpit, too easily lost!



I am in total agreement you headhopping kangaroo. I hope the NG doesn't hold
that against me. If you want the helmsman to know where you are going you'll
have to give him an electronic chart. Paper charts in the cockpit are too
easíly lost. On the other hand the Moroon could probably use the 12 bucks
but then again he'd just waste it on Rum.

Paper charts are for Wannabees
 

The trick is to stay away from sailing related subjects if you wanna catch a
Booblefish.

John Cairns wrote:
Nice Per, but I've noticed, not a single strike from the wily
Bobfish! You have to remember, the Bobfish is a bottom feeder, you
have to come up with a particularly rancid bait if you hope to land
one of these trophies.
John Cairns

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...
Real sailors use nothing but digital charts. It is folish even to
have paper charts as backup. What if they get washed overboard for
instance, or eaten by the ships rat. No it is much safer to have a
redundant system of digital charts.

Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

--
Perre

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