By the way, Donal
 

Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging. This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force 5 heavy
air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

Sorry, F9 would only be caled a "Strong gale". It wouldn't be called a
"Gale".

Wrong. A gale is a gale is a gale.
It's English, man. Learn it.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.

Now, now, now! Don't exaggerate! You *possibly* sailed in an F 7.

Okie dokie.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Bobsprit wrote:

Wrong. A gale is a gale is a gale.
It's English, man. Learn it.

It's the Beaufort Scale, Bubbles. Learn it!

http://www.marinewaypoints.com/marine/wind.shtml

BTW trying to claim that you sail more than a fellow who's been in the
'Round Britain race is really a mugs game. You don't know how to dock, even
under power, you have no clue what an inverter does, two people on your boat
and you "have no crew," you claim JAX was your friend....

In short, Bubbles, you're nuts.

DSK

By the way, Donal
 

No, most folks here would believe Donal, and that is what really upsets
you.

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote

And some folks here will believe you!

By the way, Donal
 

Notice how Jeff ''seriously doubt ''s Bubbles' story , but not a word of
doubt concerning Donal.


--
Scotty, a man's only as good as his word.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
By the Beaufort Scale everyone else uses F9 is a "Strong Gale." To call
it a "gale"
simply means its somewhere between
F7 and F10 inclusive, although I've seen versions where F7 doesn't quite
count as a "gale"
even though its a "moderate gale."

I seriously doubt you were in F8. The Beaufort Scale measures "Sustained
Wind," not
gusts. Further, using the Beaufort scale in inland, protected waters is
rather deceptive.
Since you're claim F8, does that mean you had waveheights of 18-25 feet?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.
This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force
5 heavy
air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this
storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

Since you're claim F8, does that mean you had waveheights of 18-25 feet?

F8 won't produce waves of that height on the sound.
But you knew that, Jeff.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Wrong. A gale is a gale is a gale.
It's English, man. Learn it.

It's the Beaufort Scale, Bubbles. Learn it!

Duh, they are BOTH gales. English 101. Give it a try. Donal called it heavy
air!!!

bwahahahaha!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

You don't know how to dock, even
under power, you have no clue what an inverter does

Dopey, I have a inverter that cost more than Scotty's boat.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Since you're claim F8, does that mean you had waveheights of 18-25 feet?

F8 won't produce waves of that height on the sound.
But you knew that, Jeff.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Of course I know that. And I've sailed several times in winds gusting to 50+ on the
Charles River (that's where the intro to Cheers was filmed) but I've never claimed it was
F10. F7 winds in protected waters is fun, and even challenging, but its not the same as
F7 conditions on the English Channel.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Since you're claim F8, does that mean you had waveheights of 18-25 feet?

F8 won't produce waves of that height on the sound.
But you knew that, Jeff.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

F7 winds in protected waters is fun, and even challenging, but its not the
same as
F7 conditions on the English Channel.

I never claimed otherwise.


RB

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote

It dissapoints me. Much like when I hear an old lady getting scammed.

and you're not in on it?

By the way, Donal
 

I think you're both wrong:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/webpage/beaufort/

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale.

Sorry, F9 would only be caled a "Strong gale". It wouldn't be called a
"Gale".


Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.

F6 = 22-27 kts.
This is uncomfortable on an upwind course for many boats - yours included.
However, on a beam reach an F6 should produce some damn good sailing.


This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.

Now, now, now! Don't exaggerate! You *possibly* sailed in an F 7. The
occassional gust to 35kts doesn't make it an F8. I would call the
conditions that you described as "F5, occ F6, gusting F7".


More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force
5
heavy
air right up to force 12!!

Depends on your course relative to the wind. If you have to do 100 miles
into an F5, then things can be uncomfortable. On a beam reach, the same
trip would be exhilarating. Please let us know your opinion after you
have
done such a trip?



But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this
storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you

Pah! I don't care if you believe me, or not.


You don't either, do you?



Regards


Donal
--

By the way, Donal
 

Also, it's not just about wind speed. In protected waters, the
scale doesn't apply as directly as it does offshore. It's also
about wave heights and behavior.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging. This
past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force 5
heavy
air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this
storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

Not in the SF bayarea. That would be considered a normal
day on the bay. Over 35 would be considered challenging.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.

F6 = 22-27 kts.
This is uncomfortable on an upwind course for many boats - yours included.
However, on a beam reach an F6 should produce some damn good sailing.

In other words, you agree that force 6 is considered challenging for many
boats.
That's what I thought.
You're coming along nicely!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

The biggest waves Booby sees are those he makes when he steps on the boat.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Also, it's not just about wind speed. In protected waters, the
scale doesn't apply as directly as it does offshore. It's also
about wave heights and behavior.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging. This

past

sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force 5

heavy

air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this

storm

or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Sorry, F9 would only be caled a "Strong gale". It wouldn't be called a
"Gale".

Wrong. A gale is a gale is a gale.
It's English, man. Learn it.

Idiot! Perhaps you should attend some classes before you attempt any long
distance (15nM) sailing.

Regards


Donaal
--

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.

F6 = 22-27 kts.
This is uncomfortable on an upwind course for many boats - yours included.
However, on a beam reach an F6 should produce some damn good sailing.

In other words, you agree that force 6 is considered challenging for many
boats.

So, do you now agree that an F6 is no more than a bit of good sailing?
Will you continue to describe such weather as a "storm"?


Regards


Donal
--

By the way, Donal
 

Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think you're both wrong:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/webpage/beaufort/



THey seem to have copied their data from this page:-
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/educati.../beaufort.html which is
about the history of the beaufort scale.

The current beaufort scale is available at the same site.
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/educati.../beaufort.html


As you can see, I was correct and Bobsprit was incorrect - as always!!


Here are a couple of others, in case you still doubt me.
http://www.r-p-r.co.uk/beaufort.htm

http://www.zetnet.co.uk/sigs/weather...s/beaufort.htm

Regards


Donal
--

By the way, Donal
 

Wrong. A gale is a gale is a gale.
It's English, man. Learn it.

Idiot! Perhaps you should attend some classes before you attempt any long
distance (15nM) sailing.

Right, cuz anyone who says "gale" had better be specific! Duh!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
So, do you now agree that an F6 is no more than a bit of good sailing?
Will you continue to describe such weather as a "storm"?

Again, failure to read and understand by donal. Reports of "storms" only
implied that they were close by.

Let me remind you of the stupid comment that started this discussion.

You wrote "Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds
were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. "

**challenging to say the least**. It was an F5/6.

Do you still want to admit that you find such conditions "challemging"?



Regards

Donal
--

By the way, Donal
 

Let me remind you of the stupid comment that started this discussion.

You wrote "Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds
were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. "

Winds to and above 30 knots are challenging. Yes, I stand by that comment. I've
never heard otherwise..or read otherwise.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Again, failure to read and understand by donal. Reports of "storms" only
implied that they were close by.

Let me remind you of the stupid comment that started this discussion.

So why are you talking about "storms" Donal?
Caught again!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Nice of you to finally admit it. Try getting some sailing instruction and
those sub-30k winds may not be so challenging.
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...


Winds to and above 30 knots are challenging. Yes, I stand by that comment.
I've
never heard otherwise..or read otherwise.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Try getting some sailing instruction and
those sub-30k winds may not be so challenging.

So you're saying that 25-30 knots of wind should not be called "challenging?"
Just want to know, cuz every sailing text seems to agree with me on the term.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

This is a silly argument, you sure pick odd things to take a stand on. Getting the
absolute most out of a boat can be challenging in any conditions - that's why there's only
one winner in most races. But "20-25 and gusting" is usually not considered too much of a
challenge for an experienced sailor.

Having learned in small boats, and non-self-rescuing dinghies, I got to the point here I
wouldn't bother going out unless it was blowing 20+. A Tech Dinghy or InterClub, both
about 12 feet, no bailer, not rightable, is a serious challenge in 25 to 35 knots. We
usually wouldn't race in winds over 25, though that was driven more by the capsize rate.
Its hard to run a regatta when half the boats flip at the first gybe mark.

When you take these skills to larger boats, things scale up. Properly reefed and setup, a
larger boat should not be too much of a challenge in F6. My wife, who suffers a bit in
bouncy going, usually insists on taking the helm, and always did a quite credible job in
F6 even as a novice. I would usually go below and make believe I was reading. The only
time she asked for help in open water was when we tried to go upwind in near F7 conditions
with only a single reef - when gusts to 35+ hit, the main needed some easing.





"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Let me remind you of the stupid comment that started this discussion.

You wrote "Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds
were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. "

Winds to and above 30 knots are challenging. Yes, I stand by that comment. I've
never heard otherwise..or read otherwise.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Try sailing in the LIS
this winter, and you'll gain some perspective. Be sure to take someone
who is experienced.

Billy, I kept my Catalina 27 in the water for two winters and even sailed her
in the snow!
I could sail circles around you with headsail alone. Wanna try it?

RB

By the way, Donal
 

This is a silly argument, you sure pick odd things to take a stand on. Getting
the
absolute most out of a boat can be challenging in any conditions - that's why
there's only
one winner in most races.

What're trying to do, Jeff??? Ruin every good run I have? These clowns don't
know what "challenging" means and I'm having fun! Of course! Sailing in five
knots is challenging. You have to wonder if Donal or Billy's command of the
language is anything like their sailing ability!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Good post Jon,

It's a keeper! It made my favorite File. Thanks

"I'LL DRINK TO THAR!"

Ole Thom

By the way, Donal
 

"By the way, Donal," an internet opera, in which Boobs and Jeff battle
to show who knows less about sailing. Donal, the namesake of the
thread, sits calmly by, stirring the pot ever so gently as he holds his
nose and grins. T J Fletchen takes notes. Jonathan slyly slips in
proof that neither Jeff nor Boobs has any conception of wind force or
sea state. O'le Thom congratulates Jonathan on his double kill. Both
Jeff and Boobs crab sideways, exiting stage left.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.
This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above
force 5 heavy
air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in
this storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

Bob. you cannot get off the hook that easily. Once again, here are *your*
words.

"Winds were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35.

What hook is that, Donal!!!?? I already said I stand by that comment!

Bwahahahaaha! Dig, boy, dig!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

So, stranger, why don't you give us the benefit of your experience?

What do you sail, and do you find F5 to be challenging?



-jeff www.sv-loki.com
"The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the
deli."

p.s. I thought I was stirring the pot for Donal and RB, and while Ganz's link was fun, it
didn't contradict anything Donal or I was saying.



"Monty" wrote in message
...
"By the way, Donal," an internet opera, in which Boobs and Jeff battle
to show who knows less about sailing. Donal, the namesake of the
thread, sits calmly by, stirring the pot ever so gently as he holds his
nose and grins. T J Fletchen takes notes. Jonathan slyly slips in
proof that neither Jeff nor Boobs has any conception of wind force or
sea state. O'le Thom congratulates Jonathan on his double kill. Both
Jeff and Boobs crab sideways, exiting stage left.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.
This past
sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above
force 5 heavy
air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in
this storm
or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

So, stranger, why don't you give us the benefit of your experien

That's no stranger and he doesn't own a boat.

RB

By the way, Donal
 

Or in the SF bay in the Summer.

wrote in message
...
On 07 Aug 2003 12:19:02 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Try getting some sailing instruction and
those sub-30k winds may not be so challenging.

So you're saying that 25-30 knots of wind should not be called
"challenging?"
Just want to know, cuz every sailing text seems to agree with me on the
term.


Those winds would be challenging for someone with limited sailing
experience, even in fairly well protected waters, such as the LIS. For
some people, 25 - 30 knots is an ordinary day. Try sailing in the LIS
this winter, and you'll gain some perspective. Be sure to take someone
who is experienced.

BB

By the way, Donal
 

I would never doubt you.

"Donal" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think you're both wrong:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/webpage/beaufort/



THey seem to have copied their data from this page:-
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/educati.../beaufort.html which is
about the history of the beaufort scale.

The current beaufort scale is available at the same site.
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/educati.../beaufort.html


As you can see, I was correct and Bobsprit was incorrect - as always!!


Here are a couple of others, in case you still doubt me.
http://www.r-p-r.co.uk/beaufort.htm

http://www.zetnet.co.uk/sigs/weather...s/beaufort.htm

Regards


Donal
--

By the way, Donal
 

I thought they would have been when that fat woman stepped
on the boat. She rivaled him.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
The biggest waves Booby sees are those he makes when he steps on the boat.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Also, it's not just about wind speed. In protected waters, the
scale doesn't apply as directly as it does offshore. It's also
about wave heights and behavior.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Force 9 conditions is more properly called a gale or strong gale. Most
"sailors" consider anything about force 6 to be somewhat challenging.
This

past

sunday we sailed in Force 7 and maybe Force 8 for a bit.
More than you could handle. But I suppose you call anything above force
5

heavy

air right up to force 12!!

But I'm sure you can quickly conjure up a story of how you were in this

storm

or that! And some folks here will believe you!

Bwahahahha!

By the way, Donal
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Bob. you cannot get off the hook that easily. Once again, here are *your*
words.

"Winds were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35.


What hook is that, Donal!!!?? I already said I stand by that comment!


Well, try to keep the higher wind speeds out of your posts. You are
constantly talking about winds 25-30 kts, when the wind was 20-25 kts.

As I've said before, most sailors of boats like ours, would find 20-25
kts -along with the attendant 30kt gusts- to be good sailing. Your original
post sounded like you were a bit frightened by an F5 wind. You sounded as
if you were seeking respect for the courage that you displayed by going out.

It really doesn't matter how much you wriggle. You may try to pretend that
everybody misinterpreted the nervousness that was so evident in your
original post. Wimp!


Regards


Donal
--

Donal BUSTED Again!!!
 

Well, try to keep the higher wind speeds out of your posts. You are
constantly talking about winds 25-30 kts, when the wind was 20-25 kts.

The wind was reported above 20-25. Even Marc observed that the winds increased,
and even more so after an hour of sailing.

Marc wrote:
The wind was gusting over 25 kn from the S/W, the sky was a deep blue
with storm clouds building in the west and there was a 3 to 4' short
chop with blowing whitecaps and an ebbing current.

Following this he wrote:
While waiting, the wind picked up to such an extent that I
had to furl the deck umbrella I was sitting under and the storm clouds
began to cover 3/4 of the sky

Wait, it gets worse for Donal. Michael Olson wrote:
No question about it. The wind was gusty. I was out near Huntington Bay at
4.30 and we hit 31 knot winds true south-southwest. Apparent reached 38.

So much for 20-25 knots!

Busted again!!! Bwahahahaha!

RB

By the way, Donal
 

It is a challenge for me to get out of bed every day. It is a
challenge to walk to the bathroom. It is a big challenge to take a
dump and get off the potty. And a big challenge to make breakfast,
but not to eat it. My life is one big challenge after another. I NEED
HELP!

RB