Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. There
wasn't a moment of doubt about going out, even though a friend pointed west to
a large mass of dark clouds. So what. Still, with just my ex-girlfriend along,
I probably wouldn't have headed out so quickly!
We headed out into a lot of spray and short rollers (though no waves crashed
down onto anyone) and hoisted the main, unreefed. We fell off and made 6.5-7
knots easy. It was really windy as hell, but Marc is a straight-shooting sort
who seems to love boats. Marc liked the way Alien tracked downwind.
We continued that way for a while, then finally headed down toward Hart Island.
Marc was worried about ROCKS, but I was pretty certain we had water and then,
while feathering up...
BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and lifted up and
over. Had a good laugh and I guess that extra foot of draft is worth a local
chart review!
We popped the genoa to a bit under 100% or so. No great shape, but high winds
kept her moving. We made 7 knots, flirted with 7.5 and near 8 a few times on a
close reach.
By this point there were only TWO other sailboats out showing canvas. A small
Irwin called Juliet sailed close by amd yelled "Why are we the only one's out
here?" Probably because we're the ONLY SAILORS around, but he was already too
far off to hear that.
Killer fun day and a real rig stresser! Hope Marc returns the favor and has me
out on his Freedom 36 soon!
Came back to more than 300 posts from the non-sailors here. It's a bit sad,
really. Was it too windy? Not windy enough? Too wet, too dry? Why oh why don't
you people sail???
Sailing again tomorrow and Tuesday!

PS: It was observed that Alien is the only boat at the marina without
shackled/thimbled lines!

Bwahahahahaha!!

Capt RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote ...
Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail.
There
wasn't a moment of doubt about coming out, even though a friend pointed
to
my large mass .
I probably shouldn't have came out so quickly
because Marc is straight.

DAMN!!!
Had a good laugh and I flirted.
Hope Marc returns the favor soon!
It's a bit sad,
really. Was I too windy? Not windy enough? Too wet, too dry? Why oh why
din't
I wait???


PS: It was observed that Alien is the only boat at the marina with
pink fenders and lines!


Capt RB

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Poor Scotty!!! Another weekend in front of his computer has only made him
bitter in spades!
Going sailing this summer, Scotty? Let us know if you do!
BTW, you're invited aboard Alien for a sail!

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

It sounds like you had a fun day.

A few observations:
When you report the wind, it is traditional amongst sailors to include the wind
direction - that often tells more than the exact strength. I'm guessing it was SW?

I was surprised that you left the marina with a full main. In these conditions, every
displacement boat I've sailed would do better under single reef than full main; and all
have been much easier to reef at the dock and shake out underway, than the other way
around.

I notice that your boat has become much slower that it used to be. A few weeks ago you
were do 9, 10, even 11 knots, and insisted it was real. Now, with a witness on board,
your boat seems to be only as fast as normal boats.

And hitting a rock! I know the old sayings that all sailors have touched bottom on
occasion, but most of us only take risks like that when gunkholing, or scrape the mud in a
shoaled channel. But hitting a rock on a heavy weather day - that's real amateur stuff,
Booby. And to do it a few miles from your slip! Did you have a chart? Was your compass
uncovered? You have a mapping GPS - wasn't that on? And you crew even said there were
rocks - what were you thinking? My chart doesn't even show any rocks more than 100 yards
from shore - what were you doing so close? I think you should get out your insurance
policy and make sure it covers gross negligence.


--
-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. There
wasn't a moment of doubt about going out, even though a friend pointed west to
a large mass of dark clouds. So what. Still, with just my ex-girlfriend along,
I probably wouldn't have headed out so quickly!
We headed out into a lot of spray and short rollers (though no waves crashed
down onto anyone) and hoisted the main, unreefed. We fell off and made 6.5-7
knots easy. It was really windy as hell, but Marc is a straight-shooting sort
who seems to love boats. Marc liked the way Alien tracked downwind.
We continued that way for a while, then finally headed down toward Hart Island.
Marc was worried about ROCKS, but I was pretty certain we had water and then,
while feathering up...
BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and lifted up and
over. Had a good laugh and I guess that extra foot of draft is worth a local
chart review!
We popped the genoa to a bit under 100% or so. No great shape, but high winds
kept her moving. We made 7 knots, flirted with 7.5 and near 8 a few times on a
close reach.
By this point there were only TWO other sailboats out showing canvas. A small
Irwin called Juliet sailed close by amd yelled "Why are we the only one's out
here?" Probably because we're the ONLY SAILORS around, but he was already too
far off to hear that.
Killer fun day and a real rig stresser! Hope Marc returns the favor and has me
out on his Freedom 36 soon!
Came back to more than 300 posts from the non-sailors here. It's a bit sad,
really. Was it too windy? Not windy enough? Too wet, too dry? Why oh why don't
you people sail???
Sailing again tomorrow and Tuesday!

PS: It was observed that Alien is the only boat at the marina without
shackled/thimbled lines!

Bwahahahahaha!!

Capt RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

I notice that your boat has become much slower that it used to be. A few weeks
ago you
were do 9, 10, even 11 knots,

Our speed dramatically increased later on when we let out a bit of the genoa.
Our best speed was just shy of 8 knots and there was considerable chop.
If you ever make over here, Jeff, I'd be happy to have you aboard the Alien
Rocket!

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

I think you should get out your insurance
policy and make sure it covers gross negligence.

It does...and it's a wealthy day when Alien goes down and even better if my car
is stolen and Brooklyn house goes up in flames!
Of course I don't want any of that to actually happen!

Capt RB

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Maybe someday - but remember, my boat does an honest 11-12 knots in those conditions. 8
knots seems a bit tame for me.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I notice that your boat has become much slower that it used to be. A few weeks
ago you
were do 9, 10, even 11 knots,

Our speed dramatically increased later on when we let out a bit of the genoa.
Our best speed was just shy of 8 knots and there was considerable chop.
If you ever make over here, Jeff, I'd be happy to have you aboard the Alien
Rocket!

RB

Reefing
 

That's the third time I've seen that. I agree.
I usually leave the dock with the main reefed as the winds tend to get
stronger further out. Also, it gives me a chance to 'get my sea legs' and
sort out the boat. I generally leave the reef in if the Queen is along.

Scotty


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote...
much easier to reef at the dock and shake out underway, than the other
way
around.

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"Bobsprit" wrote i
My only excuse...I'm lame!...

RB

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"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Maybe someday - but remember, my boat does an honest 11-12 knots in those conditions. 8
knots seems a bit tame for me.



You must really have big motors in that tub to go that fast!

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Is that how ''real sailors'' do it, hit bottom, then go home and look at the
chart to see what they hit?



I plan to have a look at the charts today and see what's what. I'm
guessing
that the P30 would not have touched bottom.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

It's August, this is the third time you've been out on 20+, and you haven't set up the
reef lines yet?

Good Grief!!!! Most of us take some pride in our seamanship; you've been doing this for 8
years on three boats and you're still a newbie!



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I was surprised that you left the marina with a full main.

We sailed with only the main and things were fairly well controlled. Consider
that the C&C 32 main is quite small.
My reefing setup wasn't set up in anycase, though I could have had it run in a
minute.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

I'm glad you appreciate how lame it sounds. It was only a few days ago you were
criticizing me for preparing the boat with a compass & chart when sailing in my home
waters. You whacked a rock yesterday and haven't looked yet to see what you hit? Good
Grief!!!



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And hitting a rock! I know the old sayings that all sailors have touched
bottom on
occasion, but most of us only take risks like that when gunkholing, or scrape
the mud in a

My only excuse...and man, it's lame!...is that I've sailed that area a hundred
times and felt I was well clear of the rocks. The visual landmarks appeared
correct from memory...and they weren't. I was lucky that the boat wasn't flying
at that moment or I may have done damage.
I plan to have a look at the charts today and see what's what. I'm guessing
that the P30 would not have touched bottom.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

It's August, this is the third time you've been out on 20+, and you haven't set
up the
reef lines yet?

Sure I have. I have pretty yellow reef lines and they were set up as until
middle of last week until I removed the main. I just didn't put them back. I
just recently reinstalled the vang, but have to redo the bail.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

You whacked a rock yesterday and haven't looked yet to see what you hit?

Nope. I know what I hit. It was a rock, Jeff. Hard object. Didn't hit hard to
fast. I misjudged the location, but I'll probably remember it next time.
You seem very shaken up by this!
Some years ago, my friend grounded my Catalina 27 badly enough to require us
waiting for the tide. Another time I played too close to Big Tom. I've yet to
meet a sailor who's never made these errors, but maybe your the 1st?
We were one of TWO boats out sailing in those conditions. I know you would have
stayed at the dock...and so do you.

RB

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Normaly, I would think his post was a lie (troll to booby), but, with Marc
along, he figures he better post 'his' story quick before Marc tells the
group what a bad sailor bob is.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
It sounds like you had a fun day.

A few observations:
When you report the wind, it is traditional amongst sailors to include the
wind
direction - that often tells more than the exact strength. I'm guessing
it was SW?

I was surprised that you left the marina with a full main. In these
conditions, every
displacement boat I've sailed would do better under single reef than full
main; and all
have been much easier to reef at the dock and shake out underway, than the
other way
around.

I notice that your boat has become much slower that it used to be. A few
weeks ago you
were do 9, 10, even 11 knots, and insisted it was real. Now, with a
witness on board,
your boat seems to be only as fast as normal boats.

And hitting a rock! I know the old sayings that all sailors have touched
bottom on
occasion, but most of us only take risks like that when gunkholing, or
scrape the mud in a
shoaled channel. But hitting a rock on a heavy weather day - that's real
amateur stuff,
Booby. And to do it a few miles from your slip! Did you have a chart?
Was your compass
uncovered? You have a mapping GPS - wasn't that on? And you crew even
said there were
rocks - what were you thinking? My chart doesn't even show any rocks more
than 100 yards
from shore - what were you doing so close? I think you should get out
your insurance
policy and make sure it covers gross negligence.


--
-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were
challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35.
There
wasn't a moment of doubt about going out, even though a friend pointed
west to
a large mass of dark clouds. So what. Still, with just my ex-girlfriend
along,
I probably wouldn't have headed out so quickly!
We headed out into a lot of spray and short rollers (though no waves
crashed
down onto anyone) and hoisted the main, unreefed. We fell off and made
6.5-7
knots easy. It was really windy as hell, but Marc is a straight-shooting
sort
who seems to love boats. Marc liked the way Alien tracked downwind.
We continued that way for a while, then finally headed down toward Hart
Island.
Marc was worried about ROCKS, but I was pretty certain we had water and
then,
while feathering up...
BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and lifted
up and
over. Had a good laugh and I guess that extra foot of draft is worth a
local
chart review!
We popped the genoa to a bit under 100% or so. No great shape, but high
winds
kept her moving. We made 7 knots, flirted with 7.5 and near 8 a few
times on a
close reach.
By this point there were only TWO other sailboats out showing canvas. A
small
Irwin called Juliet sailed close by amd yelled "Why are we the only
one's out
here?" Probably because we're the ONLY SAILORS around, but he was
already too
far off to hear that.
Killer fun day and a real rig stresser! Hope Marc returns the favor and
has me
out on his Freedom 36 soon!
Came back to more than 300 posts from the non-sailors here. It's a bit
sad,
really. Was it too windy? Not windy enough? Too wet, too dry? Why oh why
don't
you people sail???
Sailing again tomorrow and Tuesday!

PS: It was observed that Alien is the only boat at the marina without
shackled/thimbled lines!

Bwahahahahaha!!

Capt RB

Rocking
 

yeah, OK, sure thing, Rocky.

'
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I usually leave the dock with the main reefed as the winds tend to get
stronger further out. Also, it gives me a chance to 'get my sea legs' and
sort out the boat.

For god's sake. Reef when conditions warrant and not for "sea legs!"
1st I ever heard of someone reefing for thier own poor balance!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

Take that cover off the compass so you can memorize
course headings, set and drift and you may be able to
avoid such pitfalls. What you failed to consider is your
leeway in high wind and the compass would have given
you valuable information concerning leeway.

I TOLD YOU SO!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
And hitting a rock! I know the old sayings that all sailors have touched
bottom on
occasion, but most of us only take risks like that when gunkholing, or scrape
the mud in a

My only excuse...and man, it's lame!...is that I've sailed that area a hundred
times and felt I was well clear of the rocks. The visual landmarks appeared
correct from memory...and they weren't. I was lucky that the boat wasn't flying
at that moment or I may have done damage.
I plan to have a look at the charts today and see what's what. I'm guessing
that the P30 would not have touched bottom.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

Normaly, I would think his post was a lie (troll to booby), but, with Marc
along, he figures he better post 'his' story quick before Marc tells the
group what a bad sailor bob is.

Yup....maybe Marc will post what a bad sailor I am! He certainly spotted a few
problems!

RB

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You need to do a careful check of the bottom because
of the collision. Fiberglass doesn't respond well to rocks.
It's worth a diver checking it out.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were
challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35.
There
wasn't a moment of doubt about going out, even though a friend pointed
west to
a large mass of dark clouds. So what. Still, with just my ex-girlfriend
along,
I probably wouldn't have headed out so quickly!
We headed out into a lot of spray and short rollers (though no waves
crashed
down onto anyone) and hoisted the main, unreefed. We fell off and made
6.5-7
knots easy. It was really windy as hell, but Marc is a straight-shooting
sort
who seems to love boats. Marc liked the way Alien tracked downwind.
We continued that way for a while, then finally headed down toward Hart
Island.
Marc was worried about ROCKS, but I was pretty certain we had water and
then,
while feathering up...
BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and lifted up
and
over. Had a good laugh and I guess that extra foot of draft is worth a
local
chart review!
We popped the genoa to a bit under 100% or so. No great shape, but high
winds
kept her moving. We made 7 knots, flirted with 7.5 and near 8 a few times
on a
close reach.
By this point there were only TWO other sailboats out showing canvas. A
small
Irwin called Juliet sailed close by amd yelled "Why are we the only one's
out
here?" Probably because we're the ONLY SAILORS around, but he was already
too
far off to hear that.
Killer fun day and a real rig stresser! Hope Marc returns the favor and
has me
out on his Freedom 36 soon!
Came back to more than 300 posts from the non-sailors here. It's a bit
sad,
really. Was it too windy? Not windy enough? Too wet, too dry? Why oh why
don't
you people sail???
Sailing again tomorrow and Tuesday!

PS: It was observed that Alien is the only boat at the marina without
shackled/thimbled lines!

Bwahahahahaha!!

Capt RB

Reefing
 

Out here conditions usually warrant it from the beginning.
I usually have my students practice reefing at the dock,
in part because of the poor way the Catalina reefing is
set up. Typical wind speeds are 20-25 kts. A single reef
in the main and a 100% jib are usually about right. Additionally,
it's easier and safer to remove the reef than for the students
to try and put in a reef on short notice. There are several
areas where it be under 10 kts and then see an increase with
virtually no notice.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I usually leave the dock with the main reefed as the winds tend to get
stronger further out. Also, it gives me a chance to 'get my sea legs' and
sort out the boat.

For god's sake. Reef when conditions warrant and not for "sea legs!"
1st I ever heard of someone reefing for thier own poor balance!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Reefing
 

Typical wind speeds are 20-25 kts. A single reef
in the main and a 100% jib are usually about right.

Ganzy, unlike Scotty, you reef due to wind conditions, not so people keep their
balance, right?

RB

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It may have been a refrigerator or a Buick.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I'm glad you appreciate how lame it sounds. It was only a few days ago
you were
criticizing me for preparing the boat with a compass & chart when sailing
in my home
waters. You whacked a rock yesterday and haven't looked yet to see what
you hit? Good
Grief!!!



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And hitting a rock! I know the old sayings that all sailors have
touched
bottom on
occasion, but most of us only take risks like that when gunkholing, or
scrape
the mud in a

My only excuse...and man, it's lame!...is that I've sailed that area a
hundred
times and felt I was well clear of the rocks. The visual landmarks
appeared
correct from memory...and they weren't. I was lucky that the boat wasn't
flying
at that moment or I may have done damage.
I plan to have a look at the charts today and see what's what. I'm
guessing
that the P30 would not have touched bottom.

RB

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

he didn't, he lied.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote


I was surprised that you left the marina

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You hit a rock and have not checked for damage? What about the 'smile'

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

You whacked a rock yesterday and haven't looked yet to see what you hit?

Nope. I know what I hit. It was a rock, Jeff. Hard object. Didn't hit hard to
fast. I misjudged the location, but I'll probably remember it next time.
You seem very shaken up by this!
Some years ago, my friend grounded my Catalina 27 badly enough to require us
waiting for the tide. Another time I played too close to Big Tom. I've yet to
meet a sailor who's never made these errors, but maybe your the 1st?
We were one of TWO boats out sailing in those conditions. I know you would have
stayed at the dock...and so do you.

RB

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It is logical at least. I'm certain that living in godforsaken climes
leads any man to escape and what better way than to sail?

I am a good example of a real sailor having come down river
from the Midwest where there was snow and icy cold rain
in the winter time. The pond actually turned to ice thick enough
to skate on. What sane man can live in a place like that his
whole life?


"katysails" wrote in message ...
Ya know, every so often the "real sailor" thing comes up and we know where
that leads...When I think of a "real sailor", I go back to what descriptions
of sailors from history and literature. Did you ever notice that the great
saialors, men who battled on the sea, or transported goods, or performed
adventurous deeds, were ALL from temperate climates? They may have
sojourned to the tropics, but the majority sailed back from whence they
came. Think of the historically great ports: Plymouth, Liverpool, Bristol
in Great Britain to name a few. In the USA we have Plymouth, Boston, the
Chesepeake...We have all the great ports of the NE seaboard. From these
ports, we imported and exported by sailing ship. We whaled. We fished. We
made our country great. What sailors were noted for coming from the
tropics? Pirates. Privateers. Slavers. It all fits, doesn't it? Think
about it....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Bobsprit wrote:

Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35. There
wasn't a moment of doubt about going out, even though a friend pointed west to
a large mass of dark clouds.

Hey, I missed this! Bobsprit out in a good sailing breeze! But
"blowing 20-25" (with the normal gusts) is "challenging to say
the least"?? "Windy as hell"?? Now thunderstorms I could
concede...


So what. snip

Indeed...

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace!
http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com

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What sane man can live in a place like that his
whole life?

Most of them.

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

Ya know, every so often the "real sailor" thing comes up and we know where
that leads...When I think of a "real sailor", I go back to what descriptions
of sailors from history and literature. Did you ever notice that the great
saialors, men who battled on the sea, or transported goods, or performed
adventurous deeds, were ALL from temperate climates? They may have
sojourned to the tropics, but the majority sailed back from whence they
came. Think of the historically great ports: Plymouth, Liverpool, Bristol
in Great Britain to name a few. In the USA we have Plymouth, Boston, the
Chesepeake...We have all the great ports of the NE seaboard. From these
ports, we imported and exported by sailing ship. We whaled. We fished. We
made our country great. What sailors were noted for coming from the
tropics? Pirates. Privateers. Slavers. It all fits, doesn't it? Think
about it....

Didn't even know Katy had a tackle box.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were
challenging
to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps 35.
snip
BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and lifted up
and
over.

What nonsense! I amazed that anybody believes this wild fabrication.

Winds of 25 kts and you "gently" hit a rock at 3 kts?????


Regards


Donal
--

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
he didn't, he lied.

Could Scotty be suggesting that I didn't sail yesterday? Didn't make 7.5
knots
under unreefed main? Didn't hit the rock?
Golly!

You didn't hit a rock.



Regards

Donal
--

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A great question Katy, and after doing as you suggest, really thinking about
it, I concluded that it is an extremely loaded one! Perhaps it is too
closely related to issues still relevant today. I made an attempt at
offering some rationale for the phenomenon you mentioned, and then snipped
it myself! Color me chicken.
--
Scout
be back later - gotta take a Bertie

"katysails" wrote
Did you ever notice that the great saialors [were] ALL from temperate
climates?
Think about it....

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The Cappys Master wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:03:58 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:

What nonsense! I amazed that anybody believes this wild fabrication.

Winds of 25 kts and you "gently" hit a rock at 3 kts?????

Umm he did say he was "feathered up"at the time.

I hope that you are being sarcastic. Feathered up doesn't stop the waves
where I sail!


But you didn't see that in your haste to put the boot in.


Haste? I read his post nearly 14 hours ago. I waited to see what the
fishing was going to be like.

Also, I really don't think that suggesting that Bob has been trolling again
could be called "putting the boot in".

Is there another problem?


Regards


Donal
--

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Katy, that's the first truly ignorant, illogical, and parochial thing
I've ever seen you post.


"katysails" wrote in message
...
Ya know, every so often the "real sailor" thing comes up and we know
where
that leads...When I think of a "real sailor", I go back to what
descriptions
of sailors from history and literature. Did you ever notice that the
great
saialors, men who battled on the sea, or transported goods, or
performed
adventurous deeds, were ALL from temperate climates? They may have
sojourned to the tropics, but the majority sailed back from whence
they
came. Think of the historically great ports: Plymouth, Liverpool,
Bristol
in Great Britain to name a few. In the USA we have Plymouth, Boston,
the
Chesepeake...We have all the great ports of the NE seaboard. From
these
ports, we imported and exported by sailing ship. We whaled. We
fished. We
made our country great. What sailors were noted for coming from the
tropics? Pirates. Privateers. Slavers. It all fits, doesn't it?
Think
about it....

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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

Works for Bob. Of course he has 9 lives and a wife worth $226,000.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Is that how ''real sailors'' do it, hit bottom, then go home and look
at the
chart to see what they hit?



I plan to have a look at the charts today and see what's what. I'm
guessing
that the P30 would not have touched bottom.

RB

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Suspend your disbelief, just like when you go to a movie. I wonder if
his special effects are as funny as the screen play?


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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He was motoring into it of course!

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Well, today I met Marc from alt.sailing.asa for a sail. Winds were

challenging

to say the least, blowing 20-25 and gusting well above 30 to perhaps
35.

snip

BAM!!!
We hit a rock! Not badly, bumped it at about 3 knots luckily and
lifted up

and

over.


What nonsense! I amazed that anybody believes this wild
fabrication.

Winds of 25 kts and you "gently" hit a rock at 3 kts?????


Regards


Donal
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Didn't even know Katy had a tackle box.

I mostly fly fish....it's ever so much more relaxing....

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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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A great question Katy, and after doing as you suggest, really thinking about
it, I concluded that it is an extremely loaded one!

Ya know, Scout, you're showing some fine ng characteristics here. I think
you may be a keeper.
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Real Sailors Only need Apply!!!
 

The Cappys Master wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:47:17 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


The Cappys Master wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:03:58 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:

What nonsense! I amazed that anybody believes this wild fabrication.

Winds of 25 kts and you "gently" hit a rock at 3 kts?????

Umm he did say he was "feathered up"at the time.

I hope that you are being sarcastic. Feathered up doesn't stop the waves
where I sail!

Nope, but it sure does slow a boat, and that's what he was talking
about.

Boats bounce up and down on waves.



Hmmm maybe you could ask Marc.....if he's not a bubbles sock puppet.

Exactly! Even if he is real, then I wonder what would happen if Bob and I
spent the afternoon sailing together. Plots might get hatched!!!

Regards



Donal
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The C&C has a 5 mile per hour safety keel. That why it's the best boat
in the world, don't cha know.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
He was motoring into it of course!


I saw someone motor into a rock (the marina sill, in fact) at 3 kts
once.
There was nothing "gentle" about it.



Regards


Donal
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