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Tim Fatchen August 1st 03 04:53 AM

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No, they think they're sharp!

The navigator© wrote:

Don't they approve of hard labour?

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:
The clients are starting to threaten caesareans.

The navigator© wrote:

That's the trouble with confinement.

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:

The fruits of my labours.

The navigator© wrote:


Ah well -aren't your problems trifling?

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:


The navigator© wrote:



It must be hard in the outback!



Worse than just outback, it's been just deserts lately.



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The_navigator© August 1st 03 04:54 AM

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That's acute or grave -depending on their point of view -of course.

Cheers MC

Tim Fatchen wrote:
No, they think they're sharp!

The navigator© wrote:

Don't they approve of hard labour?

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:

The clients are starting to threaten caesareans.

The navigator© wrote:


That's the trouble with confinement.

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:


The fruits of my labours.

The navigator© wrote:



Ah well -aren't your problems trifling?

Cheers MC

Flying Tadpole wrote:



The navigator© wrote:




It must be hard in the outback!



Worse than just outback, it's been just deserts lately.




Gerard Weatherby August 1st 03 03:38 PM

The best NG in the world!
 
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:37:17 -0400, wrote:

Not being a "physic=y" person, but having this knowledge in layman's terms, lower tones carry farther over water and also the
human ear can pick up the lower tones farther away than it can higher tonew...it would also be very unpleasant to have higher
tomes...all the dogs on the shore would howl and everyone would go nuts after awhile...


Lower tones are also less directionally focused.


Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.

S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

Gerard Weatherby August 1st 03 06:05 PM

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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:09:25 -0400, wrote:

Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.


That would make it patently less directional. 8^)


If you assume human ears are the only way to receive sound

S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

Jeff Morris August 1st 03 08:18 PM

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The frequency of whistles is specified in the US inland version of the ColRegs Annex III:

It describes the fundamental frequency, and range. In summary:

over 200 meters 70-200Hz 2 miles
75-200 130-350 Hz 1.5 miles
20-75 250-525 Hz 1.0 miles
under 20 250-525 Hz 0.5 miles

It also describes the volume of various overtone ranges. For the large ships this is
140-145 dB. For the smallest is 111-120 dB.


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:05:34 -0400, Gerard Weatherby
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:09:25 -0400, wrote:

Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.

That would make it patently less directional. 8^)


If you assume human ears are the only way to receive sound


The context is foghorns, which are usually there expressly so that
humans can hear them.

BB




Jonathan Ganz August 1st 03 08:38 PM

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Fog yes.

"DSK" wrote in message
...



Gerard Weatherby wrote:
Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is

determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together

to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.


Does that tell us something about the shape of your head?


wrote:
That would make it patently less directional. 8^)



Gerard Weatherby wrote:
If you assume human ears are the only way to receive sound


wrote:
The context is foghorns, which are usually there expressly so that
humans can hear them.


If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does it

make a
sound?

DSK





Gerard Weatherby August 1st 03 08:51 PM

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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:29:18 -0400, wrote:

Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.

That would make it patently less directional. 8^)


If you assume human ears are the only way to receive sound


The context is foghorns, which are usually there expressly so that
humans can hear them.


So why would being less directional be an advantage for foghorns? Wouldn't it
be better if you could tell exactly which bearing the sound came from?


S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

katysails August 1st 03 11:41 PM

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If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails August 1st 03 11:43 PM

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and the higher pitched noises might have other unwanted side effects.


That's what I said in my non-physic-y way....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails August 1st 03 11:50 PM

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No

Nobody

What? Are you deaf?

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




jlrogers August 2nd 03 12:13 AM

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No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does

it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should

relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




katysails August 2nd 03 02:14 AM

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No, it does not.

Yes, it does. I said so. So there. :P

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails August 2nd 03 02:26 AM

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Here. I got an Aggie you can use

Only if it's a green one....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Nobody August 2nd 03 02:38 AM

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"katysails" wrote in news:bgf40g$o1lji$1@ID-
178897.news.uni-berlin.de:

Here. I got an Aggie you can use

Only if it's a green one....


Left green one or right green one?


Scott Vernon August 2nd 03 03:34 AM

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What if there's a tape recorder taping it?

Scotty

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does

it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should

relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein






Scot Vernon August 2nd 03 03:45 AM

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in news:bgf7oq$nmi3j$1@ID-
154502.news.uni-berlin.de:

What if there's a tape recorder taping it?


Witty.

Bertie

Scotty

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does

it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should

relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein








Scott Vernon August 2nd 03 03:52 AM

The best NG in the world!
 
feeding time?

Burt the Turd wrote

Titty.

Burty





Bertie the Bunyip August 2nd 03 03:53 AM

The best NG in the world!
 
"Scott Vernon" wrote in news:bgf8s1$nrgo1$1@ID-
154502.news.uni-berlin.de:

feeding time?


Oh God, altered quotes.

Bwawehahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhah whahwhah!

Bertei

Burt the Turd wrote

Titty.

Burty







Jonathan Ganz August 2nd 03 05:06 AM

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So what do turds eat?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
feeding time?

Burt the Turd wrote

Titty.

Burty







Bertie the Bunyip August 2nd 03 05:45 AM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in
:

So what do turds eat?


lusers like you obviously.


Bertie

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
feeding time?

Burt the Turd wrote

Titty.

Burty









Gerard Weatherby August 2nd 03 04:38 PM

The best NG in the world!
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:43:26 -0400, "katysails"
wrote:

and the higher pitched noises might have other unwanted side effects.


That's what I said in my non-physic-y way....


And you were right. Most specifically, lower frequency sound "goes farther"
(it's attenuated less in air than high freq sound.)

S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

Scout August 2nd 03 05:19 PM

The best NG in the world!
 
After my motorcycle accident, I was casted and bandaged from head to toe.
Only my left eye was uncovered. I asked the doc how I was doing, and he
said, "I don't like the looks of that eye."
Scout

"katysails" wrote
In one eye and caan't see outta da other




jlrogers August 2nd 03 06:03 PM

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http://www.sanpedro.com/spcom/foghorn.htm

Try 1 then 10.




wrote in message
...
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:38:08 -0400, Gerard Weatherby


wrote:

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:43:26 -0400, "katysails"


wrote:

and the higher pitched noises might have other unwanted side

effects.


That's what I said in my non-physic-y way....


And you were right. Most specifically, lower frequency sound "goes

farther"
(it's attenuated less in air than high freq sound.)


You are assuming it is traveling through air? LOL!

BB



jlrogers August 2nd 03 06:16 PM

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Definition of "sound," noun
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation
perceived by the sense of hearing

So know ever if a tape recorder records the foghorn it didn't make a
"sound." And if there is no one to hear it on playback, the tape
recorder will not make a "sound" either.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What if there's a tape recorder taping it?

Scotty

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it,

does
it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should

relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein







jlrogers August 2nd 03 06:19 PM

Foghorns: The Straight Skinny
 
Foghorns: The Straight Skinny

http://www.scottishlighthouses.co.uk/Foghorns.html



"jlrogers" wrote in message
...
And speaking of foghorns, why are fog horns contraltos instead of
sopranos?
Aren't higher frequencies more directional than lower frequencies?

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Anyway, Katy
claims she's not highly strung enougn.

I'm a contralto/mezzo, for the luvaPete....have some mercy....




Scott Vernon August 2nd 03 10:09 PM

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the foghorn *still* made it's sound, even if you weren't there to hear it.

Prof. Scott

"jlrogers" wrote in message
...

Definition of "sound," noun
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation
perceived by the sense of hearing

So know ever if a tape recorder records the foghorn it didn't make a
"sound." And if there is no one to hear it on playback, the tape
recorder will not make a "sound" either.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What if there's a tape recorder taping it?

Scotty

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it,

does
it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein









Flying Tadpole August 3rd 03 12:38 AM

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Seahag wrote:

A friend and neighbor said I was
showing signs of becomming a yellow woman finally!


watch those typos, Haggie!
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
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Gerard Weatherby August 3rd 03 01:25 AM

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:16:31 GMT, "jlrogers" wrote:


Definition of "sound," noun
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation
perceived by the sense of hearing

c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure
waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing



S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

Bertie the Bunyip August 3rd 03 10:03 AM

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"Donal" wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Scott Vernon" wrote in news:bgf8s1$nrgo1$1@ID-
154502.news.uni-berlin.de:

feeding time?


Oh God, altered quotes.


Shock!!! HORRER!


Somebody altered Bertie's quote! Call the net police -- IMMEDIATELY.



Regards


Donal
--
PS Don't worry Bertie. We all know that you are doing a good job.
It could almost be said that you are winning.


No no no.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip August 3rd 03 10:27 AM

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in
:

the foghorn *still* made it's sound, even if you weren't there to hear
it.


Actually, current thinking is that not only did teh foghorn not make a
sound, the foghorn itself doesn't even exist in any way until someone
hears, sees, feels or otherwise senses it. It only has the potential to
exist.





Bertie

Prof. Scott

"jlrogers" wrote in message
...

Definition of "sound," noun
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation
perceived by the sense of hearing

So know ever if a tape recorder records the foghorn it didn't make a
"sound." And if there is no one to hear it on playback, the tape
recorder will not make a "sound" either.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What if there's a tape recorder taping it?

Scotty

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
No, it does not.


"katysails" wrote in message
...

If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear
it,

does
it make a
sound?

Yes.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs
should
relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein











Flying Tadpole August 3rd 03 12:46 PM

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote in
:

the foghorn *still* made it's sound, even if you weren't there to hear
it.


Actually, current thinking is that not only did teh foghorn not make a
sound, the foghorn itself doesn't even exist in any way until someone
hears, sees, feels or otherwise senses it. It only has the potential to
exist.

Bertie


Aha! Schrodinger's bunyip! and wearing the trousers of time, too.
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
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Thom Stewart August 3rd 03 04:09 PM

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Scott,

Let's remember the power output required to produce the sound. You'll
pay the bill, sound or not.

Ole Thom


jlrogers August 3rd 03 09:23 PM

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You never could pass up a nit.

"How many nit pickers could a nitpicker pick, if a nitpicker could pick
nits."

"Gerard Weatherby" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:16:31 GMT, "jlrogers" wrote:


Definition of "sound," noun
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation
perceived by the sense of hearing

c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal

pressure
waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of

hearing



S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org



katysails August 3rd 03 10:31 PM

Foghorns: The Straight Skinny
 
Foghorns: The Straight Skinny

Nice website, Jerry....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Donal August 3rd 03 10:55 PM

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"anonyme" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:48:56 +0100, "Donal"
posted in message from
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:

Somebody altered Bertie's quote! Call the net police -- IMMEDIATELY.


No, no. It's just that altering quotes is soo...cowardly, I guess. It
shows you can't deal with what someone really wrote.

Not here, it doesn't!

You're quite old fashioned, aren't you?


Regards


Donal
--




The_navigator© August 3rd 03 10:57 PM

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Now that's profound and original. Congratulations Doug.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


Gerard Weatherby wrote:
Not really. The ability to determine the source of the sound is determined by
the receiver, not the transmitter. Our ears are too close together to get a
bearing on low frequency sound.


Does that tell us something about the shape of your head?



wrote:
That would make it patently less directional. 8^)


Gerard Weatherby wrote:
If you assume human ears are the only way to receive sound


wrote:
The context is foghorns, which are usually there expressly so that
humans can hear them.



If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a
sound?

DSK




The_navigator© August 3rd 03 10:59 PM

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Is that supposed to be funny to those who have been in serious
motorcycle accidents and lost limbs or don't I have a leg to stand on?

Cheers MC

Scout wrote:
After my motorcycle accident, I was casted and bandaged from head to toe.
Only my left eye was uncovered. I asked the doc how I was doing, and he
said, "I don't like the looks of that eye."
Scout

"katysails" wrote

In one eye and caan't see outta da other






The_navigator© August 3rd 03 11:00 PM

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Well I never knew that! hahahahhahahaha Where's the great maroon when
you need him?

Cheers MC

Tom S. wrote:
"Nobody" wrote in message
.. .

"katysails" wrote in
:


If a horn blows in the fog, and there is nobody there to hear it, does
it make a sound?

Yes.



No


Correct. "Sound" is what translates in our ears; shock waves are what the
horn makes.





The_navigator© August 3rd 03 11:02 PM

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Bwhahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha

Cheers MC

anonyme wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:48:56 +0100, "Donal"
posted in message from
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in news:bgf8s1$nrgo1$1@ID-
154502.news.uni-berlin.de:


feeding time?

Oh God, altered quotes.


Shock!!! HORRER!


Somebody altered Bertie's quote! Call the net police -- IMMEDIATELY.



No, no. It's just that altering quotes is soo...cowardly, I guess. It
shows you can't deal with what someone really wrote.



Bertie the Bunyip August 3rd 03 11:13 PM

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"Donal" wrote in
:


"anonyme" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:48:56 +0100, "Donal"
posted in message from
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:

Somebody altered Bertie's quote! Call the net police -- IMMEDIATELY.


No, no. It's just that altering quotes is soo...cowardly, I guess. It
shows you can't deal with what someone really wrote.

Not here, it doesn't!


Of course not.


You're quite old fashioned, aren't you?



Mm, good one

Bertie



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