"Shen44" wrote in message

| Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular
sailboat
| that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat which
is
| using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to" this
light,
| the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is
"additionally"
| under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.

A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that states
I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on rails.....
but most utilize masthead only.

Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since nobody
would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while fetching
more ice to the lounge. ;-P

CM

I'm afraid you blew it with this post, Capt. A white masthead
light showing under the red/green running lights is not a legal
combination under the Rules.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Shen44" wrote in message

| Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular
sailboat
| that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat which
is
| using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to" this
light,
| the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is
"additionally"
| under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.

A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that states
I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on rails.....
but most utilize masthead only.

Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since nobody
would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while fetching
more ice to the lounge. ;-P

CM

katysails wrote:

Tim,
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My eyes must be truly jaded because what you see and what I see are tow different things.
It is well and good, though, that you see what you do, since if you saw what I saw you would get rid of square boxes and start
sailing things with at least one pointy end.

But Katy, _I_ don't need a pointy end to know the firectionm I
should be sailing in.

--
(Dr) Tim Fatchen
Director
Fatchen Environmental Pty Ltd
PO Box 462 Mt Barker SA 5251
Phone +61 8 8391 1164
Fax +61 8 8391 5156

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I'm specifically exempt from Annex 1..... I've enacted the "Capt. Ron"
clause.

CM

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
|
| A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
| sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that
states
| I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
| running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on
rails.....
| but most utilize masthead only.
|
| Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since
nobody
| would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while
fetching
| more ice to the lounge. ;-P
|
| CM
|
|
| Read Annex I of the Rules
| A Masthead (steaming) light is always carried ABOVE the sidelights,
| which makes the use of the "tricolor" light illegal .... unless of
| course you've got a pole to hoist the masthead light to a position above
| the tricolor, via some halyard. G
|
| otn
| (awoken from a sound sleep by the "Cadet" doing some reading)
|

You should be so ashamed of yourself. Letting a
motorboater get the best of you. Pathetic, Moroon.

We sailboaters are better than them so I expect you
to never screw up that badly again. You might give
sailors a bad name.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
I'm specifically exempt from Annex 1..... I've enacted the "Capt. Ron"
clause.

CM

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
|
| A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
| sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that
states
| I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
| running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on
rails.....
| but most utilize masthead only.
|
| Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since
nobody
| would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while
fetching
| more ice to the lounge. ;-P
|
| CM
|
|
| Read Annex I of the Rules
| A Masthead (steaming) light is always carried ABOVE the sidelights,
| which makes the use of the "tricolor" light illegal .... unless of
| course you've got a pole to hoist the masthead light to a position above
| the tricolor, via some halyard. G
|
| otn
| (awoken from a sound sleep by the "Cadet" doing some reading)
|

Capt. Mooron wrote:

I'm specifically exempt from Annex 1..... I've enacted the "Capt. Ron"
clause.

CM

ROFL .... excellent response ... otn .... said, as he fell back to
sleep......

!!!!!!!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Read the rules for the
lighting of a power vessel.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Shen44" wrote in message

| Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular
sailboat
| that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat which
is
| using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to" this
light,
| the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is
"additionally"
| under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.

A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that states
I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on rails.....
but most utilize masthead only.

Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since nobody
would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while fetching
more ice to the lounge. ;-P

CM

Yeah.... that falls under the sub annex of annex 1b called the Capt. Ron
exemption.... it states that any sail vessel masquarading as a power vessel
can use it's mast head tri colour to make it look taller and shorter than it
really is.


CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| !!!!!!!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Read the rules for the
| lighting of a power vessel.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| "Shen44" wrote in message
|
| | Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular
| sailboat
| | that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat
which
| is
| | using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to"
this
| light,
| | the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is
| "additionally"
| | under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.
|
| A masthead Tri Color and a steaming light are all that is required on a
| sailboat that is under power only. There is nothing I know about that
states
| I need my Nav lights at any particular height. Many sailboats have their
| running lights mounted on the hull, some on the Cabin others on
rails.....
| but most utilize masthead only.
|
| Not that it makes a difference to a container ship or tanker since
nobody
| would be on the bridge any way but maybe someone would see it while
fetching
| more ice to the lounge. ;-P
|
| CM
|
|
|

Did I ever say the lights should be used at the same time? I'm sorry, you keep saying I
did, but the words simply are not there. At no time do I mention using both at one time,
and claiming I did is a blatant lie. The question that was asked was which should be
installed. The proper answer for RB is clearly that if he installs a tricolor, it should
be in addition to the sidelights. I left out the word "installed," it was implied in the
discussion. It does not mean I said "use", because I never did.





"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are trying to use the same, old, tired argument as Jeff.

Both of you are not going to get out of it by saying "in context
this and in context that". I don't give a hoot who Jeff was responding
to. If he meant to say auxiliary sailboats must have 'in addition to'
the tricolor, regular running and steaming lights he would be correct.

However, that is not what he said. He said sailboat must have . . .

He did not say Bobsprit's sailboat; he did not say auxiliary sailboats;
he said sailboats and since he did he is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Side with me on this one and you will have much more credibility.
You used to have a fair share but the longer you persist in an
untenable position the more it erodes away.

S.Simon


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Jeff was clearly saying that the running lights and
the tricolor at the masthead should be lit at the same
time. Jeff was clearly wrong.


Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular sailboat
that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat which is
using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to" this light,
the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is "additionally"
under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.

Shen

Overproof has no factory mounted "sidelights".... I have a set of oil
lamps on wood panels that I can use [ deployable but not afixed]... I have a
set of "side lights" that amount to a port & starboard light under the
bowsprit with a stern light on the back rail and a tricolour and anchor
light at the masthead with a steaming light just above my mast mounted
foredeck lights.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Did I ever say the lights should be used at the same time? I'm sorry, you
keep saying I
| did, but the words simply are not there. At no time do I mention using
both at one time,
| and claiming I did is a blatant lie. The question that was asked was
which should be
| installed. The proper answer for RB is clearly that if he installs a
tricolor, it should
| be in addition to the sidelights. I left out the word "installed," it was
implied in the
| discussion. It does not mean I said "use", because I never did.
|
|
|
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| You are trying to use the same, old, tired argument as Jeff.
|
| Both of you are not going to get out of it by saying "in context
| this and in context that". I don't give a hoot who Jeff was responding
| to. If he meant to say auxiliary sailboats must have 'in addition to'
| the tricolor, regular running and steaming lights he would be correct.
|
| However, that is not what he said. He said sailboat must have . . .
|
| He did not say Bobsprit's sailboat; he did not say auxiliary sailboats;
| he said sailboats and since he did he is wrong, wrong, wrong.
|
| Side with me on this one and you will have much more credibility.
| You used to have a fair share but the longer you persist in an
| untenable position the more it erodes away.
|
| S.Simon
|
|
| "Shen44" wrote in message
| ...
| Jeff was clearly saying that the running lights and
| the tricolor at the masthead should be lit at the same
| time. Jeff was clearly wrong.
|
|
| Hmmmm missed that. However, since the subject at hand was a particular
sailboat
| that is also capable of running "under power", then .... a sailboat
which is
| using the tricolor light when sailing, shall have "in addition to"
this light,
| the normal running lights which will be used when the vessel is
"additionally"
| under power, or "in addition to" that, under power alone.
|
| Shen
|
|
|
|