I was working on my port light this morning, and the socket is a bit tired. One
of my buddies appeared and asked me if I wanted a masthead light set. If he's
remembering correctly, it has the tri-color, an anchor light and strobe.
I'm thinking of taking it...any problems with masthead nav lights instead of
those set in the hull?
I think I may even have the wiring already in place, but my mast is coming down
this year in any case.

RB

The only downside is length of wire and possible bulb changes.
Also, you need to keep in mind smaller vessels. They won't
necessarily be looking up in the air in close quarters.

At least a steaming light is somewhat easier to get at.

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...

I was working on my port light this morning, and the socket is a bit
tired. One
of my buddies appeared and asked me if I wanted a masthead light set. If
he's
remembering correctly, it has the tri-color, an anchor light and strobe.
I'm thinking of taking it...any problems with masthead nav lights instead
of
those set in the hull?
I think I may even have the wiring already in place, but my mast is coming
down
this year in any case.

RB

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used at the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would not be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule 7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

Good job wiggling out of that faux pas, Jeff. Even your buddy
Shen44 was waiting to pounce on you. Maybe it's time you
reviewed the Rules.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used at the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would not be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule 7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

My wording may have been a tad vague, though I never said they could be used at the same
time. The discussion was about what lights might be installed, in particular, the
addition of the tricolor.

I confess I can't find the phrase that led me to think the sidelights can't be higher than
2.5 meters, though is quite clear they must be lower than the "masthead" light. I wonder
if the Inland version of the Annex is being superceded by the new regulations on lights.
I think the new law defers to the ABYC standard on many aspects of the running lights.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Good job wiggling out of that faux pas, Jeff. Even your buddy
Shen44 was waiting to pounce on you. Maybe it's time you
reviewed the Rules.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used at
the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would not
be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule
7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

Subject: Let there be Nav. Light
From: "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom
Date: 07/26/2003 10:58 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

My wording may have been a tad vague, though I never said they could be used
at the same
time. The discussion was about what lights might be installed, in
particular, the
addition of the tricolor.

I confess I can't find the phrase that led me to think the sidelights can't
be higher than
2.5 meters, though is quite clear they must be lower than the "masthead"
light. I wonder
if the Inland version of the Annex is being superceded by the new regulations
on lights.
I think the new law defers to the ABYC standard on many aspects of the
running lights.


Annex I, 2., (c),(d) ?

Your wording was more than a "tad vague", it was clearly wrong.

See my reply to your good buddy Shenn44 and then be man
enough to admit that what you wrote is very misleading and clearly
incorrect. I got you this time. I know you are loathe to admit
it but I got you this time. He he!

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
My wording may have been a tad vague, though I never said they could be used at the same
time. The discussion was about what lights might be installed, in particular, the
addition of the tricolor.

I confess I can't find the phrase that led me to think the sidelights can't be higher than
2.5 meters, though is quite clear they must be lower than the "masthead" light. I wonder
if the Inland version of the Annex is being superceded by the new regulations on lights.
I think the new law defers to the ABYC standard on many aspects of the running lights.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Good job wiggling out of that faux pas, Jeff. Even your buddy
Shen44 was waiting to pounce on you. Maybe it's time you
reviewed the Rules.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used at
the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would not
be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule
7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

Jesus Frikkin KeeRist Neal - I already said that was not my intention and perhaps the
wording was vague. But the discussion was about which lights to install, not which lights
to use. Installing both is fine, using both is not.

Talk about your "glass houses" here - You maintained for 50 posts that its perfectly
legal for a sailboat to continue at hull speed in thick fog after hearing fog signals dead
ahead! Only a total idiot could believe something as stupid as that, and since we know
you're highly intelligent you were clearly only doing it for the sport. This wouldn't be
so bad f it were an innocuous matter, but there's probably some dumb schlub out there who
now thinks that sailboats still have right of way in the fog. Shame on you, Neal!
Shame!


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Your wording was more than a "tad vague", it was clearly wrong.

See my reply to your good buddy Shenn44 and then be man
enough to admit that what you wrote is very misleading and clearly
incorrect. I got you this time. I know you are loathe to admit
it but I got you this time. He he!

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
My wording may have been a tad vague, though I never said they could be used at the
same
time. The discussion was about what lights might be installed, in particular, the
addition of the tricolor.

I confess I can't find the phrase that led me to think the sidelights can't be higher
than
2.5 meters, though is quite clear they must be lower than the "masthead" light. I
wonder
if the Inland version of the Annex is being superceded by the new regulations on
lights.
I think the new law defers to the ABYC standard on many aspects of the running lights.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Good job wiggling out of that faux pas, Jeff. Even your buddy
Shen44 was waiting to pounce on you. Maybe it's time you
reviewed the Rules.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used
at
the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would
not
be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule
7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.

Now you have to resort to putting false words in my mouth.

I never said a sailboat should not slow down or even stop
if it heard fog signals dead ahead. What I said is a sailboat
does not have to slow down in a fog according to the Rules
when it does not hear a fog signal dead ahead on a collision
course. I said a sailboat is already meeting the definition of
going slow because as we all know there is rarely very much
wind in a fog and even if the sailboat, mine for example, were
going hull speed it would still meet the definition of going slow.

The only vessels that are required to slow down in a fog even
if they do not hear a fog signal on a collision course are motor
vessels sounding the signal for motor vessels. These vessels
normally travel at speeds of twenty knots or greater which
is clearly a dangerous thing to do in a fog. They are required
to slow down to a safe speed. Should they ever run into
a sailboat even if they were going two knots they would
be adjudicated to be going too fast for the conditions.

Vessels that sound other fog signals are higher up in the pecking
order so they are the stand-on vessel. The presence of fog
does not make them the give way vessel. Motor vessels
are required to stay clear the moment they hear a signal
of a vessel higher up in the pecking order. All you have to
do is ask yourself how a dredge, for example, is going to
slow down or take evasive action to see how foolish and
untenable your motorboat mentality stand is.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Jesus Frikkin KeeRist Neal - I already said that was not my intention and perhaps the
wording was vague. But the discussion was about which lights to install, not which lights
to use. Installing both is fine, using both is not.

Talk about your "glass houses" here - You maintained for 50 posts that its perfectly
legal for a sailboat to continue at hull speed in thick fog after hearing fog signals dead
ahead! Only a total idiot could believe something as stupid as that, and since we know
you're highly intelligent you were clearly only doing it for the sport. This wouldn't be
so bad f it were an innocuous matter, but there's probably some dumb schlub out there who
now thinks that sailboats still have right of way in the fog. Shame on you, Neal!
Shame!


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Your wording was more than a "tad vague", it was clearly wrong.

See my reply to your good buddy Shenn44 and then be man
enough to admit that what you wrote is very misleading and clearly
incorrect. I got you this time. I know you are loathe to admit
it but I got you this time. He he!

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
My wording may have been a tad vague, though I never said they could be used at the
same
time. The discussion was about what lights might be installed, in particular, the
addition of the tricolor.

I confess I can't find the phrase that led me to think the sidelights can't be higher
than
2.5 meters, though is quite clear they must be lower than the "masthead" light. I
wonder
if the Inland version of the Annex is being superceded by the new regulations on
lights.
I think the new law defers to the ABYC standard on many aspects of the running lights.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Good job wiggling out of that faux pas, Jeff. Even your buddy
Shen44 was waiting to pounce on you. Maybe it's time you
reviewed the Rules.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Your absolutely correct - its illegal to have lights on that could be confusing.

However, installing the extra lights if perfectly OK, as long as they're not used
at
the
same time - that is what I meant.

When RB ran done his list of lights, he didn't mention sidelights and thus would
not
be
legal for powering at night.

--
-jeff
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information" ColRegs, Rule
7(c)


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the
sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat.

Wrong! You blew it, Jeff.

Tricolor and lower running lights are NOT to be used at the same time.