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Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
FEAR THIS!
Now I understand why my boat is so uncommonly fast. It is because she has a LWL of 25 feet instead of the commonly listed 22 feet. You can see and measure for yourself http://captneal.homestead.com/Sheshines.html Use the top picture and get out your dividers. Measure the LOA. You computer screen size will make your measurments vary from mine but not too worry use what you get. The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. With a LWL of 25 feet the hull speed is the same as Moroon's 30-footer and Booby's 32 footer. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
With a LWL of 25 feet the hull speed is the same as
Moroon's 30-footer and Booby's 32 footer. Man, coronado specs says 22. That was some company. Now all you need is to carve that underbody into something vaguely efficient in the water and you'll have....a faster, but still god ugly boat. Bwahahahahaa! RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Yup....and for that pic... Ungainly Wallowing Horrific Unseaworthy ghastly Bulbous Well, there's six anyway. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
And the same hull speed as your 32-footer.
Doesn't that just make you want to cry? "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... A picture is worth a thousand words. Yup....and for that pic... Ungainly Wallowing Horrific Unseaworthy ghastly Bulbous Well, there's six anyway. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. 12.5 and 11.6mm screen size? Are you using a palmoid computer? Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. I agree with your result, but that's a rather odd way to apply a ratio to a value. I would have done... Ratio = 11.6 / 12.5 = 0.928 X = 0.928 x 27 = 25.056 feet. Or, as a single formula in a spreadsheet, or step in a program... X = 27 x (11.6 / 12.5) A look at the angle of the stem should be enough to convince anyone that the LWL is nowhere near 22 feet - it's simply too steep to have lost 5 feet by the time it gets down to the water. I make the height of the bow at about 4 feet above the waterline - to lose 5 feet in the length, the stem would have to be shallower than 45 degrees, which it plainly isn't. How the LWL has come to be commonly listed as 22 feet is beyond me. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you Wally.
"Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. 12.5 and 11.6mm screen size? Are you using a palmoid computer? Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. I agree with your result, but that's a rather odd way to apply a ratio to a value. I would have done... Ratio = 11.6 / 12.5 = 0.928 X = 0.928 x 27 = 25.056 feet. Or, as a single formula in a spreadsheet, or step in a program... X = 27 x (11.6 / 12.5) A look at the angle of the stem should be enough to convince anyone that the LWL is nowhere near 22 feet - it's simply too steep to have lost 5 feet by the time it gets down to the water. I make the height of the bow at about 4 feet above the waterline - to lose 5 feet in the length, the stem would have to be shallower than 45 degrees, which it plainly isn't. How the LWL has come to be commonly listed as 22 feet is beyond me. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
LWL is measured in a straight line from the water at the bow to the water at the stern. LOA is measured from the stem fitting (not the plow anchor, mind you) to the transom at its longest point in a straight line. I hope this helps because using dividers you can come up with an accurate LWL. "Oz1" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:52:58 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Measure for yourself and do the math if you don't believe me. Math tells the truth every time. "Oz1" wrote in message ... And this post speaks volumes!!! Cappy how do you measure LWL again, my memory is not too good under the influence of this wimps painkillers. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you Wally. Can't argue with the numbers. If the 22' is an original Coronado spec, I can only assume that it was a typo or a misreading of a handwritten note. What amazes me is that nobody thought to question it until now. You must have had one of those "wait a minute, that's not right..." moments. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
LWL is measured in a straight line from the water at the bow to the water at the stern. LOA is measured from the stem fitting (not the plow anchor, mind you) to the transom at its longest point in a straight line. Isn't the LWL measured from stem to stern along the path that the water takes? Hence, for a given 'straight' LWL, a beamy boat would have a slightly longer LWL than a narrower boat. Of course, this would mean that an estimate based on a straight line measurement would be slightly short. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
I think the original figure is with an empty boat that floats
much higher up in the water. Even then I think the LWL would be greater than 22 feet, though. Another thing is the shoal keel is about five hundred pounds heaver than the stantard keel so mine, which is a shoal keel, floats deeper in the water to begin with even when not loaded for cruising and living aboard. "Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you Wally. Can't argue with the numbers. If the 22' is an original Coronado spec, I can only assume that it was a typo or a misreading of a handwritten note. What amazes me is that nobody thought to question it until now. You must have had one of those "wait a minute, that's not right..." moments. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
Hahahaha! Perhaps the problem is is in the LOA?
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: FEAR THIS! Now I understand why my boat is so uncommonly fast. It is because she has a LWL of 25 feet instead of the commonly listed 22 feet. You can see and measure for yourself http://captneal.homestead.com/Sheshines.html Use the top picture and get out your dividers. Measure the LOA. You computer screen size will make your measurments vary from mine but not too worry use what you get. The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. With a LWL of 25 feet the hull speed is the same as Moroon's 30-footer and Booby's 32 footer. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
No, LWL is a straight line measurement just like LOA.
"Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message LWL is measured in a straight line from the water at the bow to the water at the stern. LOA is measured from the stem fitting (not the plow anchor, mind you) to the transom at its longest point in a straight line. Isn't the LWL measured from stem to stern along the path that the water takes? Hence, for a given 'straight' LWL, a beamy boat would have a slightly longer LWL than a narrower boat. Of course, this would mean that an estimate based on a straight line measurement would be slightly short. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
I think the original figure is with an empty boat that floats much higher up in the water. Even then I think the LWL would be greater than 22 feet, though. I would agree with that - 3 feet is a lot to lose. Looking at the port-side view on... http://captneal.homestead.com/haulout.html ....I estimate 22 feet from the stern to end somewhere between the stand under the bow and the dark object in the background just to its left. Another thing is the shoal keel is about five hundred pounds heaver than the stantard keel so mine, which is a shoal keel, floats deeper in the water to begin with even when not loaded for cruising and living aboard. Does the line of your blue antifoul leave the same nominal freeboard as Coronado 27s with the standard keel? -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
No, LWL is a straight line measurement just like LOA. Yup, some subsequent Googling confirms - cheers. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
Maybe you could sink it to the gunwhales and it'd be as fast as a
26.6" LWL yacht? Ozzy, go to sleep NOW. You can't say anything funnier than what you wrote above! RB |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
LOA (Length Over All) is a measurement from the tip of the bow, around the
edge of the deck - as in toerail - , to the edge of the stern). LOD (Length Over Deck) is the straight line measurement you describe. Therefore, two 30' yachts, one with a 12' beam and the other with a 10' beam will have different LOD's! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No, LWL is a straight line measurement just like LOA. "Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message LWL is measured in a straight line from the water at the bow to the water at the stern. LOA is measured from the stem fitting (not the plow anchor, mind you) to the transom at its longest point in a straight line. Isn't the LWL measured from stem to stern along the path that the water takes? Hence, for a given 'straight' LWL, a beamy boat would have a slightly longer LWL than a narrower boat. Of course, this would mean that an estimate based on a straight line measurement would be slightly short. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
You're right - you lost considerable freeeboard aft. Is your transom supposed to be
underwater? Before you start "spending" your extra speed, remember that Waterline does not automatically produce speed. If your LWL was increased by adding 2000 pounds displacement (that only lowers you 3 inches) then your displacement went from 6200 to 8200, which drops your SA/disp down to a dismal 10.7! While your ultimate speed may be faster, your medium air performance is now pathetic. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I think the original figure is with an empty boat that floats much higher up in the water. Even then I think the LWL would be greater than 22 feet, though. Another thing is the shoal keel is about five hundred pounds heaver than the stantard keel so mine, which is a shoal keel, floats deeper in the water to begin with even when not loaded for cruising and living aboard. "Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you Wally. Can't argue with the numbers. If the 22' is an original Coronado spec, I can only assume that it was a typo or a misreading of a handwritten note. What amazes me is that nobody thought to question it until now. You must have had one of those "wait a minute, that's not right..." moments. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
"Ghost" wrote in message news:MR%Ta.20524
LOA (Length Over All) is a measurement from the tip of the bow, around the edge of the deck - as in toerail - , to the edge of the stern). LOD (Length Over Deck) is the straight line measurement you describe. a.. Length Overall (LOA): The extreme length of the ship along the centerline is called the length overall. See: URL: http://web.nps.navy.mil/~me/tsse/Nav...le2/basics.htm -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
PHRF So Cal rates your boat at 228, which makes it slower than a Catalina
27, Pearson 25, Cal 27, even a lowly Mac26x!!! A quick examination of the list revealed only 2 slower 27 footers, an Ericson and a Tartan, both of which are miles ahead of your boat, quality wise, that is. Also C&C, O'Day, and probably a few others I've missed, speed wise, that is. http://www.phrfsocal.org/ The thing about the ratings for older boats is that they tend to be a little more accurate as these boats have been around for a while and if they are faster than their ratings indicate they usually get adjusted to reflect this.228 is about as fast as any Coronado 26 will ever get, including yours. I think the thing that would be really humiliating would be to get beat by a Mac26x! John Cairns "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... FEAR THIS! Now I understand why my boat is so uncommonly fast. It is because she has a LWL of 25 feet instead of the commonly listed 22 feet. You can see and measure for yourself http://captneal.homestead.com/Sheshines.html Use the top picture and get out your dividers. Measure the LOA. You computer screen size will make your measurments vary from mine but not too worry use what you get. The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. With a LWL of 25 feet the hull speed is the same as Moroon's 30-footer and Booby's 32 footer. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
That's silly. Are you saying my cat's LOA is 9 feet longer?
I can find a number of sources that say LOA is straight line, not around the side. Here's one: http://www.docksidereports.com/boat_specifications.htm The measurement your talking about may play some part in a handicap rule, but it certainly isn't used in builders' specs. "Ghost" wrote in message . .. LOA (Length Over All) is a measurement from the tip of the bow, around the edge of the deck - as in toerail - , to the edge of the stern). LOD (Length Over Deck) is the straight line measurement you describe. Therefore, two 30' yachts, one with a 12' beam and the other with a 10' beam will have different LOD's! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No, LWL is a straight line measurement just like LOA. "Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message LWL is measured in a straight line from the water at the bow to the water at the stern. LOA is measured from the stem fitting (not the plow anchor, mind you) to the transom at its longest point in a straight line. Isn't the LWL measured from stem to stern along the path that the water takes? Hence, for a given 'straight' LWL, a beamy boat would have a slightly longer LWL than a narrower boat. Of course, this would mean that an estimate based on a straight line measurement would be slightly short. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
PHRF So Cal rates your boat at 228, which makes it slower than a Catalina
27, Pearson 25, Cal 27, even a lowly Mac26x!!! A quick examination of the list revealed only 2 slower 27 footers, an Ericson and a Tartan, both of which are miles ahead of your boat, quality wise, that is. Also C&C, O'Day, and probably a few others I've missed, speed wise, that is. http://www.phrfsocal.org/ The thing about the ratings for older boats is that they tend to be a little more accurate as these boats have been around for a while and if they are faster than their ratings indicate they usually get adjusted to reflect this.228 is about as fast as any Coronado 26 will ever get, including yours. I think the thing that would be really humiliating would be to get beat by a Mac26x! John Cairns "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... FEAR THIS! Now I understand why my boat is so uncommonly fast. It is because she has a LWL of 25 feet instead of the commonly listed 22 feet. You can see and measure for yourself http://captneal.homestead.com/Sheshines.html Use the top picture and get out your dividers. Measure the LOA. You computer screen size will make your measurments vary from mine but not too worry use what you get. The LOA I measured at 27 feet is 12.5mm The LWL I measured at X is 11.6mm. Now all we have to do is solve for X X times 12.5 = 27 times 11.6 or X = (27) (11.6) divided by 12.5 or X = 25 feet. With a LWL of 25 feet the hull speed is the same as Moroon's 30-footer and Booby's 32 footer. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
8200, which drops your SA/disp down to a dismal 10.7! While your ultimate
speed may be faster, your medium air performance is now pathetic. Slam. That was harsh, Jeff. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
I must apologies to Neal - when ran the added 2000 pounds through SailCalcPro the SA/disp
came out to 11.83, still lower than any production boat I know of. I've certainly seen some loaded to where they are in single digits. Neal would have to add over 3000 pounds to get down to what I quoted - but that's possible too - it would mean being about 4.5 inches below her lines. Running the VPP number for +2000: At 14 kts, the sail still generates 6 hp, but this is now 1375 pounds/hp, instead of 1000. This will push him at .95 of sqrt(LWL), which with the increased waterline, which comes out to 4.75 knots. The original calculation yielded 4.9 knots, so there is a net loss. In lighter wind he has more wetted surface, and although his ultimate hull speed may be higher, he has to carry full sail in well over 20 knots to get there. The 20 knot prediction leaves him at 1.2 sqrt(LWL), or 6 knots, instead of 6.3. One might claim that this is a small penalty to pay for carrying your life's possessions with you. And I'm not sure I'd like know what my boat weighed the day we left for the trip. But its pretty clear that increasing the LWL by loading the boat does not make it faster. One more thought - I think Neal gained LWL by submersing the aft section, just forward of the transom. I haven't been able to find a design drawing to confirm this - is it possible Tripp had them all destroyed? If this is the cause for the seeming discrepancy, then this extra waterline would have become available whenever he went fast enough to generate a stern wave. This is a common design trick - the overhangs create additional effective waterline as the wave making resistance goes up. So by loading the boat, one does not actually gain LWL, one gains wetted surface and more weight to pull around. I hope a few people have appreciated this exercise at Neal's expense. I always wanted to run these calculations and compare them to real life. My primary source was Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats." If I can find a more formulaic expression of this, I might make a little calculator, like SailCalcPro. -- -jeff www.sv-loki.com "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harms way." - John Paul Jones "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... 8200, which drops your SA/disp down to a dismal 10.7! While your ultimate speed may be faster, your medium air performance is now pathetic. Slam. That was harsh, Jeff. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
I've raised the boot stripe about 8 inches over the years.
"Wally" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message I think the original figure is with an empty boat that floats much higher up in the water. Even then I think the LWL would be greater than 22 feet, though. I would agree with that - 3 feet is a lot to lose. Looking at the port-side view on... http://captneal.homestead.com/haulout.html ...I estimate 22 feet from the stern to end somewhere between the stand under the bow and the dark object in the background just to its left. Another thing is the shoal keel is about five hundred pounds heaver than the stantard keel so mine, which is a shoal keel, floats deeper in the water to begin with even when not loaded for cruising and living aboard. Does the line of your blue antifoul leave the same nominal freeboard as Coronado 27s with the standard keel? -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
"katysails" wrote in message news:bfq7c5
Are you saying my cat's LOA is 9 feet longer? My God, you have a tiger???? No he has a domestic cat, and a rack in his torture chamber. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
The original calculation yielded 4.9 knots, so there is a net loss.
In lighter wind he has more wetted surface, and although his ultimate hull speed may be higher, he has to carry full sail in well over 20 knots to get there. The 20 knot prediction leaves him at 1.2 sqrt(LWL), or 6 knots, instead of 6.3. As neal says, math tells the truth. RB |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
Actually, my youngest feline is lilac-point Siamese with very long bones. Stretched out
(on the rack) he's well over 3 feet. "Wally" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message news:bfq7c5 Are you saying my cat's LOA is 9 feet longer? My God, you have a tiger???? No he has a domestic cat, and a rack in his torture chamber. -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
See, Bobsprit, how a real troll master does it.
Your trolling efforts only result in people doing minor work typing some insults in reply to your taunts while my expert trolls result in people spending all night reading books and doing math .. .. . . . I'm the master. Bwaa ah ahah ha ha hhahaha! "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... The original calculation yielded 4.9 knots, so there is a net loss. In lighter wind he has more wetted surface, and although his ultimate hull speed may be higher, he has to carry full sail in well over 20 knots to get there. The 20 knot prediction leaves him at 1.2 sqrt(LWL), or 6 knots, instead of 6.3. As neal says, math tells the truth. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
You forget I'm a retired engineer/programmer. I did this for a living for 25 years, and
miss it a bit. I used to be doing this for $100 an hour, now I can do it for free! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... See, Bobsprit, how a real troll master does it. Your trolling efforts only result in people doing minor work typing some insults in reply to your taunts while my expert trolls result in people spending all night reading books and doing math .. .. . . . I'm the master. Bwaa ah ahah ha ha hhahaha! "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... The original calculation yielded 4.9 knots, so there is a net loss. In lighter wind he has more wetted surface, and although his ultimate hull speed may be higher, he has to carry full sail in well over 20 knots to get there. The 20 knot prediction leaves him at 1.2 sqrt(LWL), or 6 knots, instead of 6.3. As neal says, math tells the truth. RB |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
Which is of paramount importance when your passage making consists of
sailing around your mooring block. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message However, your "motion comfort" is very high. |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
"Ghost" wrote:
LOA (Length Over All) is a measurement from the tip of the bow, around the edge of the deck - as in toerail - , to the edge of the stern). LOD (Length Over Deck) is the straight line measurement you describe. Therefore, two 30' yachts, one with a 12' beam and the other with a 10' beam will have different LOD's! I hate to say this but deep breath Neal is right and you are wrong. LOA is a straigh-line measurement, including things like bowsprits and sugarscoop sterns. It is what it calls itself: overall length. That's what can make it differ from LOD, which is also a straight-line measurement but of the deck only, not including things like bowsprits. LWL (load waterline) is also a straight-line measurement. So, in your example, two 30' boats with different beams will have identical measurements for LOD *and* for LOA, assuming neither has a bowsprit or other appendage which would add to the LOA. For example, if both were 30' LOD but one had a sugarscoop transom, that one would have a longer LOA than the one without the sugarscoop. Frank |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
Bet that hurt!!....... right away! ;-D
CM "Frank and Ronnie Maier" wrote in message | I hate to say this but deep breath Neal is right and you are wrong. |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
No he has a domestic cat, and a rack in his torture chamber.
I'm sure the ASPCA will catch up with him eventually. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
Actually, my youngest feline is lilac-point Siamese with very long bones. Stretched out (on the rack) he's well over 3 feet. I'm jealous. I would really like a Siamese (sealpoint). I had a queen years ago and she was the neatest cat...yarled a lot and liked to eprch and did the leg attack thing from behind the couch...she would even walk on a leash. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
NO, NO, NO!!!!
Hope you don't mind, but I put that picture in My Pictures for future use on my desktop....what a great picture!
-- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
she was used for club racing and won
most every race in sight) I'd hate to see the rest of the fleet. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Coronado 27 faster than I thought.
I think one of the fleet was recently used in an attempted crossing from
Cuba. CM "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... | she was used for club racing and won | most every race in sight) | | I'd hate to see the rest of the fleet. | | | S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" | Trains are a winter sport |
Flonkers nerds? Heaven forbid!
"Tom Mosher" wrote in
m: "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in | : | | This can't be the Bunyip..... I mean ... it's almost a complete | sentence!!! | | | I have my moments. | | BTW, why are you afraid of the "Star Trek Weenies"? Oh boy.... be Afraid... Be Very Afraid.... have you ever seen one in real life? CM They are quite frightening. They had a big Star Trek convention here in Tulsa about a month ago. Thousands upon thousands of Star Trek Weenies. He seems to think the flonkers are trekkies.. Bwawhahwhahwhahhwa! Bertie |
Flonkers nerds? Heaven forbid!
mimus wrote in
: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Tom Mosher" wrote in . com: "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in | : | | This can't be the Bunyip..... I mean ... it's almost a complete | sentence!!! | | I have my moments. | | BTW, why are you afraid of the "Star Trek Weenies"? Oh boy.... be Afraid... Be Very Afraid.... have you ever seen one in real life? They are quite frightening. They had a big Star Trek convention here in Tulsa about a month ago. Thousands upon thousands of Star Trek Weenies. He seems to think the flonkers are trekkies.. Bwawhahwhahwhahhwa! Bertie It's a cover. Shh, i know that, they dont. Bertie |
Flonkers nerds? Heaven forbid!
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: "Tom Mosher" wrote in om: "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in | : | | This can't be the Bunyip..... I mean ... it's almost a complete | sentence!!! | | I have my moments. | | BTW, why are you afraid of the "Star Trek Weenies"? Oh boy.... be Afraid... Be Very Afraid.... have you ever seen one in real life? They are quite frightening. They had a big Star Trek convention here in Tulsa about a month ago. Thousands upon thousands of Star Trek Weenies. He seems to think the flonkers are trekkies.. Bwawhahwhahwhahhwa! Bertie It's a cover. -- smeeter 14 mp 10 mhm 29x13 When a system is set up to accomplish some goal, a new entity has come into being--the system itself. No matter what the "goal" of the system, it immediately begins to exhibit system behavior; that is, to act according to the general laws that govern the operation of all systems. Now the system itself has to be dealt with. _Systemantics_ -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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