What a pathetic sailing trip. It's all schedule and land-based.
Why not just drive an automobile? You aren't sailing anyway;
your are going to end up motoring just to keep on schedule.

What a loser!


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Well, unlike Captain Bobadil, (Please do a google on "Captain Bobadil" - Ben
Johnson clearly knew Bobsprit in a previous incarnation) when I say I'm going
sailing, I go sailing. We'll have a nice dinner at Lenny's Joint tonight, sleep
aboard, and then get off to an early start tomorrow for a 6 day cruise around
western LIS to visit some friends and family, attend a school reunion being held
on a beach, and even stop in Port Jeff for a night to make sure we overpay for
SOMETHING on this trip. We might even stop one day at the Norwalk Visitors Dock
so we can have lunch at El Alcapulco. It's 25 cents a foot at the visitor's dock
during the day. Free for an hour and a half if you spend at least $10 on shore
and show the receipt. Only a fool or a derelict with no money would stay there
overnight. It's in a quiet spot, but only a short jog across a draw bridge from
some very bad places o be after dark. Why do that when you could stay in swanky
Compo Yacht Basin a few miles away for a paltry $1.50 a foot? From there, you
can walk to the Westport Longshore Country Club and have a 4 star meal, with
maybe Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward seated next to you. I think Martha Stewart
has been permanently banned. That's a "good thing". - LOL!

Also, unlike Bob, inclement weather won't hamper our plans in any way. There are
no reported Hurricanes blowing through, so we are all set to have some fun. You
will remember that Bobadil's last TWO attempts to sail the arduous 25 miles to
Norwalk were thwarted by deadly drizzle and seas over 1 foot! If I was only a
scant 25 miles from Norwalk, I'd get down that way a lot more often. There is a
lot to do in that whole stretch from Black Rock to Stamford.

Nonetheless, my elderly wife and I are taking our tiny, and extremely tippy,
canoe-like C&C 27-5 out for the next 6 days in whatever the "Big G" has to
offer, WITHOUT ANY HELP!

Pray for us.

BB

My sailing trips start and end on the water. I have not been to
shore for over ten days, as I write this. I am eminently qualified
to decide who is a sailor and who isn't. It is clear that you are
no more a sailor than Booby!


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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:08:17 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:

What a pathetic sailing trip. It's all schedule and land-based.
Why not just drive an automobile? You aren't sailing anyway;
your are going to end up motoring just to keep on schedule.


Why would we need to motor at all? No leg is more than about 25 nm. Most sailing
does start and end on land. I guess you were unaware of that, being a
non-sailor, and all...

BB

I thought these pics were taken a few years ago? Did you stay anchored out in the dink
while the yard fixed your boat and took the pictures?
http://captneal.homestead.com/haulout.html


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news
My sailing trips start and end on the water. I have not been to
shore for over ten days, as I write this. I am eminently qualified
to decide who is a sailor and who isn't. It is clear that you are
no more a sailor than Booby!


wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:08:17 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:

What a pathetic sailing trip. It's all schedule and land-based.
Why not just drive an automobile? You aren't sailing anyway;
your are going to end up motoring just to keep on schedule.


Why would we need to motor at all? No leg is more than about 25 nm. Most sailing
does start and end on land. I guess you were unaware of that, being a
non-sailor, and all...

BB

Nonetheless, my elderly wife and I are taking our tiny, and extremely tippy,
canoe-like C&C 27-5 out for the next 6 days in whatever the "Big G" has to
offer, WITHOUT ANY HELP!

An excellent summary of the C&C 27. I notice you're leaving AFTER the bad
weather cleared out last night!!
Have fun and bring back pics!

RB

Putting the boat on the hard for the purpose of painting the
bottom can hardly be called a sailing trip. I said I had not
been ashore for ten days not ten years.Good grief!


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
I thought these pics were taken a few years ago? Did you stay anchored out in the dink
while the yard fixed your boat and took the pictures?
http://captneal.homestead.com/haulout.html


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news
My sailing trips start and end on the water. I have not been to
shore for over ten days, as I write this. I am eminently qualified
to decide who is a sailor and who isn't. It is clear that you are
no more a sailor than Booby!


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:08:17 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:

What a pathetic sailing trip. It's all schedule and land-based.
Why not just drive an automobile? You aren't sailing anyway;
your are going to end up motoring just to keep on schedule.


Why would we need to motor at all? No leg is more than about 25 nm. Most sailing
does start and end on land. I guess you were unaware of that, being a
non-sailor, and all...

BB

If you ever get up the nerve again to motor down the Ditch to
Key West give me a shout when you get near Key Largo.

I'll race you to Marathon and no motors allowed. You will
be sooooo far behind.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Neal is thinking of his boat - for him a 25 mile trip is an all-day passage. In the light
LIS wind, it could be an overnight.


wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:08:17 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:

What a pathetic sailing trip. It's all schedule and land-based.
Why not just drive an automobile? You aren't sailing anyway;
your are going to end up motoring just to keep on schedule.


Why would we need to motor at all? No leg is more than about 25 nm. Most sailing
does start and end on land. I guess you were unaware of that, being a
non-sailor, and all...

BB

Good evening, Dearest!


"katysails" wrote in message ...

My sailing trips start and end on the water.

Toilet bowls don't count as water....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Good evening, Dearest!

Hey...I'm 5'9"....go take a cold shower
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If you ever get up the nerve again to motor down the Ditch to
Key West give me a shout when you get near Key Largo.

I'll race you to Marathon and no motors allowed. You will
be sooooo far behind.


That is such a pathetic challenge - its hard to see how you could keep up with me for 5
minutes.

For starters, my SA/disp is over 20, while yours is about 14.25. This predicts the speed,
as a percentage of hullspeed, for a given wind. Meanwhile, my hull speed (not that I'm
constrained by it, as you are) is about 8 knots. Your hull speed is about 6.3 knots.

I don't have the Polar diagram for either boat, but lets try to do a VPP-like prediction,
based on published data and tables. In a 14 knot breeze, a sail generates 0.02 HP per
square foot. For you, that's 6 HP, or 1040 pounds/hp; for me that 10.8, which is 815
pounds/hp. This means (using a table) that you'll move at about 1.05 times the sqrt of
your waterline, or 1.05x4.7 or 4.9 knots. My boat, on the other hand, will be at 1.14 x
sqrt(WL), or 6.7 knots, or 36 percent faster. I'm not even considering that my boat goes
faster than the table predicts, because of the very narrow effective beam of the
individual hulls.

Your boat will get to its 6.3 knot hull speed at some point around 20 knots breeze - at
which time I'll be flying away at 10+ knots. At low speed, in a 10 knot wind you'll be at
4.5 knots; I'll be at 6.2 knots. BTW, these number are fairly good predictors - I'm a tad
slower than the 10 knot wind prediction, a tad faster than the 14 knot. This makes sense,
since at low speed the wetted surface affects me more than a normal boat; at higher speed
I have less wave making resistance.

You can talk about your 130 jib, but I have one too. Or your chute, but I have a new
asymm. How about your main, is it a 3 year old modern full batten main or a blown out old
bag?

Do you have any chance? In light air anything can happen. And you certainly have local
knowledge. Short tacking up a narrow channel would not be pleasant for me. Upwind, the
margin might be a bit closer, though your shoal draft keel doesn't help you much. But on
a relatively open course, in any wind over, say 8 knots, I'll be going 35% faster than
you, or more. The last time I went by your mooring I was doing 8-9 knots, and averaged
that for the entire day.

Frankly, unless there's a dramatic change in my life, I don't think I'll get my boat down
there again for a few more years (though I may be driving by at Christmas). Why don't you
bring your fine bluewater craft up here next Summer?

-jeff www.sv-loki.com
"The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the
deli."

The water is too polluted up there for my liking and the winds
too unreliable. Then, there's the people of whom Bobsprit is
a good example. I would have to be crazy to go up there by
choice.

The reason I would probably beat you in a race from Key
Largo to Marathon is local knowledge (shortcuts, etc.) and
unless there was enough wind for you to reach hull speed
I would beat your boat because mine goes faster in lighter
winds. Yours has too much drag from propellers and
the extra wetted surface of two hulls. Also, I can hang
proportionately more sail area than you can.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If you ever get up the nerve again to motor down the Ditch to
Key West give me a shout when you get near Key Largo.

I'll race you to Marathon and no motors allowed. You will
be sooooo far behind.


That is such a pathetic challenge - its hard to see how you could keep up with me for 5
minutes.

For starters, my SA/disp is over 20, while yours is about 14.25. This predicts the speed,
as a percentage of hullspeed, for a given wind. Meanwhile, my hull speed (not that I'm
constrained by it, as you are) is about 8 knots. Your hull speed is about 6.3 knots.

I don't have the Polar diagram for either boat, but lets try to do a VPP-like prediction,
based on published data and tables. In a 14 knot breeze, a sail generates 0.02 HP per
square foot. For you, that's 6 HP, or 1040 pounds/hp; for me that 10.8, which is 815
pounds/hp. This means (using a table) that you'll move at about 1.05 times the sqrt of
your waterline, or 1.05x4.7 or 4.9 knots. My boat, on the other hand, will be at 1.14 x
sqrt(WL), or 6.7 knots, or 36 percent faster. I'm not even considering that my boat goes
faster than the table predicts, because of the very narrow effective beam of the
individual hulls.

Your boat will get to its 6.3 knot hull speed at some point around 20 knots breeze - at
which time I'll be flying away at 10+ knots. At low speed, in a 10 knot wind you'll be at
4.5 knots; I'll be at 6.2 knots. BTW, these number are fairly good predictors - I'm a tad
slower than the 10 knot wind prediction, a tad faster than the 14 knot. This makes sense,
since at low speed the wetted surface affects me more than a normal boat; at higher speed
I have less wave making resistance.

You can talk about your 130 jib, but I have one too. Or your chute, but I have a new
asymm. How about your main, is it a 3 year old modern full batten main or a blown out old
bag?

Do you have any chance? In light air anything can happen. And you certainly have local
knowledge. Short tacking up a narrow channel would not be pleasant for me. Upwind, the
margin might be a bit closer, though your shoal draft keel doesn't help you much. But on
a relatively open course, in any wind over, say 8 knots, I'll be going 35% faster than
you, or more. The last time I went by your mooring I was doing 8-9 knots, and averaged
that for the entire day.

Frankly, unless there's a dramatic change in my life, I don't think I'll get my boat down
there again for a few more years (though I may be driving by at Christmas). Why don't you
bring your fine bluewater craft up here next Summer?

-jeff www.sv-loki.com
"The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the
deli."