Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...
Neal, what is the average speed you make when passaging making?


RB

Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.

Jeff, what is the average speed made by your multi hull when passaging making.

RB

My average speed, for general conditions, is roughly 7 knots. That's what I base my
passage planning on. However, its not uncommon to do 9 or 10 if the wind is pushing 20.
I've been over 11 with plain sail without help from waves. (Surfing we've been to 13.5)
On my recent trip to Salem we were doing 5.5 to 7 knots in a 10 to 12 knot breeze (as
entered in my log, a legal document). About the same going to P'town. I generally figure
I'm a knot or two fast then monohulls my size.

The Norther's that Neal talks about are a standard wind that covers the FL area though the
winter. Its often about 20-25 knots, and can setup for 2 or 3 weeks without a break.
Since you can't cross the Gulf Stream in a Norther, hundreds of boats wait in on the East
Coast of FL for a window.

Neal might be able to beam reach in a Norther at 6.8 through the water, but its pushing it
a bit. With full sail, in 26 knots, his sail generates 22 hp, which puts him under 300
pounds per hp - enough to push through hull speed somewhat. Of course, although my
predicted speed would be 10+ knots, I'm not constrained by hull speed, so I'd be doing
more, with reefed sails.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.

Jeff, what is the average speed made by your multi hull when passaging making.

RB

Oars are not legal in any sailboat race. And remember, our stout Portuguese Water Dog
will be full grown and able to tow us at about three knots. You can see Molly is up for
it already:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1411a.jpg

Here's what my second mate thinks of your challenge:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1418a.jpg



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Now you are beginning to see a few of the reasons why
you would most likely end up going on your way with
your tail tucked. Sister Creek alone would kill you.

Remember I said no motors. That does not rule out
oars and I can row my boat at two knots in the no-wind
Sister Creek conditions. There are other legal tricks I
can and will employ just to put a multi-hull sailor in
his rightful place.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Compared to most of the nonsense here, this has been an interesting intellectual
exercise.
I always wanted to do the VPP calculation, this was a good excuse.

Actually, the concept of a Key Largo to Marathon race is interesting. If its a light
SE
wind, at low tide (not that there's much of a tide) I could have a problem - some of
the
channels I'd have to tack up are not much wider than my boat. But other than that,
this
wouldn't be a contest.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

What do you mean you cannot cross the Gulf Stream
in a Norther?

I have crossed to the Bahamas in a Norther and
crossed from the Bahamas to Florida in a Norther.
It's a myth that it cannot be done. Actually, it's not
all that bad in 20-25 knots of wind. Sure the seas
heap up a little steeper in a Norther but they are
manageable.

Small craft advisory does not apply to a well-found
covered-deck sailboat. It's only for open boats and
primarily for open motor boats.

I tuck one reef in the main and use the 75% jib
and go along at hull speed. The ride is not bad because
there are mostly big beam rollers with a few greybeards
now and then that might board the cockpit with a few
buckets of water now and then.

The good news is the northerly current of the Stream
seems to slow down so one does not have to fight it as
one must when sailing in southerly winds.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
My average speed, for general conditions, is roughly 7 knots. That's what I base my
passage planning on. However, its not uncommon to do 9 or 10 if the wind is pushing 20.
I've been over 11 with plain sail without help from waves. (Surfing we've been to 13.5)
On my recent trip to Salem we were doing 5.5 to 7 knots in a 10 to 12 knot breeze (as
entered in my log, a legal document). About the same going to P'town. I generally figure
I'm a knot or two fast then monohulls my size.

The Norther's that Neal talks about are a standard wind that covers the FL area though the
winter. Its often about 20-25 knots, and can setup for 2 or 3 weeks without a break.
Since you can't cross the Gulf Stream in a Norther, hundreds of boats wait in on the East
Coast of FL for a window.

Neal might be able to beam reach in a Norther at 6.8 through the water, but its pushing it
a bit. With full sail, in 26 knots, his sail generates 22 hp, which puts him under 300
pounds per hp - enough to push through hull speed somewhat. Of course, although my
predicted speed would be 10+ knots, I'm not constrained by hull speed, so I'd be doing
more, with reefed sails.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.

Jeff, what is the average speed made by your multi hull when passaging making.

RB

Cute Dog! Looks clean. Must just have gotten a bath.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Oars are not legal in any sailboat race. And remember, our stout Portuguese Water Dog
will be full grown and able to tow us at about three knots. You can see Molly is up for
it already:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1411a.jpg

Neals average speed claim, well above is theoretical hull speed seems
questionable. Jeff's speed as quoted appears understated.
There is no mistaking the specs on the Coronado. Under a steady hand in
aggresive conditions, she remains a slow cruiser. Her ratings reflect that.
Compare her specs to an older Catalina 27 TR and she's barely got a chance.
Against my C&C 32...bwaahahaa! I could sail with the main down and he wouldn't
have a chance.
Jeff's big multi? C'mon neal. You're just being foolish. That thing may be
faster on the back of a truck.

RB

Real life sailing is far different than the imaginary sailing
you indulge in. It is a well-known fact that small boats
can make very impressive runs given the right conditions.

On one trip up the East Coast to Beaufort N.C. from
Florida my boat covered 210 miles over the ground in
a 24 hour period.

Performance is in the facts not the figures on paper.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...

Neals average speed claim, well above is theoretical hull speed seems
questionable. Jeff's speed as quoted appears understated.
There is no mistaking the specs on the Coronado. Under a steady hand in
aggresive conditions, she remains a slow cruiser. Her ratings reflect that.
Compare her specs to an older Catalina 27 TR and she's barely got a chance.
Against my C&C 32...bwaahahaa! I could sail with the main down and he wouldn't
have a chance.
Jeff's big multi? C'mon neal. You're just being foolish. That thing may be
faster on the back of a truck.

RB

Yes - as I said in an earlier post, we motorsailed home from P'town in winds under 8
knots.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...

Here's what my second mate thinks of your challenge:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1418a.jpg

Is that propwash I see off the transom?

From: "Simple Simon"
Performance is in the figments in my head not the facts on paper.