"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
He found the 31 tough to steer?

What makes you think that?

YOUR WORDS:

The last time that I helmed an Oceanis, I thought that there was a
serious
problem with the wheel steering. It turned out that I just wasn't used to
the small rudder.

bwahahahaha!


You said "He found the ***31*** tough to steer"

I didn't mention "31" anywhere in my post.

Furthermore, it wasn't a 311 that I was talking about.

Keep digging, Bob. This hole is going to get deeper and deeper.



Regards


Donal
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Furthermore, it wasn't a 311 that I was talking about.


Poor Donal, there's goes Ozzy;s defense for you!
It doesn't matter which boat it was. Your comment still spells the same
results.
You don't understand helm/sail trim!

Bwahahaaha! Even Better!!!

RB

I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!

I hope you're not serious.

RB

Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you claimed
to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make ground to
the waypoint.

CM

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
| I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
|
| I hope you're not serious.
|
| RB

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you
claimed
to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make ground
to
the waypoint.


Yon can steer Setanta by constantly trimming the sails. Last year I sailed
her for 45 minutes with the tiller left free. The wind was about 10 kts and
dropping. At the end we ended up pointing almost dead downwind, and I had
to use the tiller at that point.



Regards


Donal
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Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free.

Then you haven't seen a well sailed boat. When Ghost or Alien were "in the
groove" they tend to stay there. Of course this is less likely in chop and
heavy gusts, but it can be done with ease on the LIS.

RB

I'll have to see proof of this since all my experience with many fin keelers
of various sizes would indicate it is impossible upwind. Since you are
familiar and claim to be proficient at this task.... combined with your
excellent photography skills, equipment , opportunity and capability to post
the proof... I ask that you confirm your claim with a video clip of Alien
going to weather, under canvas, the helm free and auto pilot removed, no key
in the ignition and the lever in neutral.... with nobody at the helm....
for even 30 seconds. Heck use any comparable fin keeler....

Without such factual proof... your claim has no basis. I don't even
entertain wind speed or sea state to be a concern....

CM


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
| Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
| unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free.
|
| Then you haven't seen a well sailed boat. When Ghost or Alien were "in the
| groove" they tend to stay there. Of course this is less likely in chop and
| heavy gusts, but it can be done with ease on the LIS.
|
| RB

Sop you effectively sailed a circle with the helm free and using only the
sails to make progress despite constant adjustment of the set.... and did so
for 45 minutes. My question is how much of that time was spent going to wind
ward, or making point or even if any of that time allowed you to keep a
steady course or compass bearing.

I will admit now that I have not as yet found an adequate sail set or trim
that will keep even my full keeler tracking to a compass bearing upwind with
the tiller free.

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
| unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
| happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you
| claimed
| to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make
ground
| to
| the waypoint.
|
|
| Yon can steer Setanta by constantly trimming the sails. Last year I
sailed
| her for 45 minutes with the tiller left free. The wind was about 10 kts
and
| dropping. At the end we ended up pointing almost dead downwind, and I
had
| to use the tiller at that point.
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|

I've sailed for about 10 minutes hands off on a C&C 36 and
a C&C 34. Eventually, the course started changing back and
forth enough to warrant taking back the helm from the sea.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you
claimed
to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make ground
to
the waypoint.

CM

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
| I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
|
| I hope you're not serious.
|
| RB

UP WIND?????

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| I've sailed for about 10 minutes hands off on a C&C 36 and
| a C&C 34. Eventually, the course started changing back and
| forth enough to warrant taking back the helm from the sea.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
| unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
| happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you
| claimed
| to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make
ground
| to
| the waypoint.
|
| CM
|
| "CANDChelp" wrote in message
| ...
| | I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
| |
| | I hope you're not serious.
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|