CANDChelp wrote:

I find it not at all surprising that Donal on a brief
encounter had difficulty adjusting.

Rediculous!
The 31 is a cruising boat with reasonable manners. If the sails were trimmed
properly, the helm should have been fine.
Period.
Even in heavy gusts, Alien and Ghost required a light touch on the wheel
because I know how to trim.
Now let's hear how Donald "just took the helm" and it wasn't his fault the boat
was trimmed badly!

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Yeah...Bwahahaha!


No, not what I was saying. Moving from a powerful/big rudder to a
small rudder leads to differences in response, even where in both
cases the sails are trimmed appropriately. As example, in heavy
chop I still prefer to let Lady Kate sail herself to windward
because she does it better: even now I still tend to apply the
helm compensations I would have used on Flying Tadpole, and with
the small rudder they're not only pointless, they're increasing
the drag. The shift from one to another takes time and practice
to sort out. Not that one shouldn't be able to get onto a
strange boat and within a relatively short time get the feel of
her and sail 90%-95% OK, but if it's a strange boat you'll know
it's strange, and you'll know you're not achieving near 100%.
One has to learn them. So again, I'm not surprised at Donal's
comment.

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CANDChelp wrote:

I find it not at all surprising that Donal on a brief
encounter had difficulty adjusting.

Rediculous!
The 31 is a cruising boat with reasonable manners. If the sails were
trimmed
properly, the helm should have been fine.
Period.
Even in heavy gusts, Alien and Ghost required a light touch on the wheel
because I know how to trim.
Now let's hear how Donald "just took the helm" and it wasn't his fault the
boat
was trimmed badly!

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Yeah...Bwahahaha!


No, not what I was saying. Moving from a powerful/big rudder to a
small rudder leads to differences in response, even where in both
cases the sails are trimmed appropriately. As example, in heavy
chop I still prefer to let Lady Kate sail herself to windward
because she does it better: even now I still tend to apply the
helm compensations I would have used on Flying Tadpole, and with
the small rudder they're not only pointless, they're increasing
the drag. The shift from one to another takes time and practice
to sort out. Not that one shouldn't be able to get onto a
strange boat and within a relatively short time get the feel of
her and sail 90%-95% OK, but if it's a strange boat you'll know
it's strange, and you'll know you're not achieving near 100%.
One has to learn them. So again, I'm not surprised at Donal's
comment.

--
Flying Tadpole


Taddy, is your rudder wooden? Because if so, you could just knock your head
against it rather than debating this.

SkitchNYC wrote:


CANDChelp wrote:

I find it not at all surprising that Donal on a brief
encounter had difficulty adjusting.

Rediculous!
The 31 is a cruising boat with reasonable manners. If the sails were
trimmed
properly, the helm should have been fine.
Period.
Even in heavy gusts, Alien and Ghost required a light touch on the wheel
because I know how to trim.
Now let's hear how Donald "just took the helm" and it wasn't his fault the
boat
was trimmed badly!

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Yeah...Bwahahaha!


No, not what I was saying. Moving from a powerful/big rudder to a
small rudder leads to differences in response, even where in both
cases the sails are trimmed appropriately. As example, in heavy
chop I still prefer to let Lady Kate sail herself to windward
because she does it better: even now I still tend to apply the
helm compensations I would have used on Flying Tadpole, and with
the small rudder they're not only pointless, they're increasing
the drag. The shift from one to another takes time and practice
to sort out. Not that one shouldn't be able to get onto a
strange boat and within a relatively short time get the feel of
her and sail 90%-95% OK, but if it's a strange boat you'll know
it's strange, and you'll know you're not achieving near 100%.
One has to learn them. So again, I'm not surprised at Donal's
comment.

--
Flying Tadpole


Taddy, is your rudder wooden? Because if so, you could just knock your head
against it rather than debating this.

Well, I was in a masochistic mood. No, Lady Kate's rudder is
actually welded stainless steel (NACA foil), and the endplate can
be used as a weed cutter, and I don't feel suicidal right now, so
I won't do as you suggest...
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No, not what I was saying. Moving from a powerful/big rudder to a
small rudder leads to differences in response,

Taddy, PLEASE read what Donal wrote again. He indicated "difficulty" with the
rudder and helm. He also mentions the "small rudder" which clearly shows he
thinks this was the whole problem. The 31 will steer with a feather touch when
trimmed correctly.
He did not say he had problems coming through a tack, or through heavy chop, or
being overpowered.
Furthermore, the idiot writes...

"I thought that there was a serious
problem with the wheel steering. "

A "SERIOUS" problem??? Bwahahahahaha! Okay, Taddy!

RB

The 31 is a shallow draft tender boat that actually require a lot more
effort to sail at its best than the Firsts. It heels and needs the
traveller dropped in gusts or it will round up!

Thanks, Ozzy. As I said, Donal did not know how to trim the boat.
He never mentioned any "gusts." I'm betting he'll claim it was squall now!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

hinks this was the whole problem. The 31 will steer with a feather touch when
trimmed correctly.

In steady breeze with light gusts.

Donal never mentioned the weather, so it was obviously fine.

RB

CANDChelp wrote:

The 31 is a shallow draft tender boat that actually require a lot more
effort to sail at its best than the Firsts. It heels and needs the
traveller dropped in gusts or it will round up!

Thanks, Ozzy. As I said, Donal did not know how to trim the boat.
He never mentioned any "gusts." I'm betting he'll claim it was squall now!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Well, silly us. We just assumed that there would always be
gusts. I'd love a sailing locality with steady, uniform winds,
rather than funnels, flukes, bounces and reversals of my home
ground. We were just unaware that Donal's cruising grounds were
so uniform. Goodnight all.
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I'd love a sailing locality with steady, uniform winds,
rather than funnels, flukes, bounces and reversals of my home
ground. We were just unaware that Donal's cruising grounds were
so uniform.

I'd love to see a helm on a properly trimmed boat that acts like there's a
"serious" problem!
Bwahahahahaha!
Sometimes trolling with the truth works best!

Goodnight taddy!

RB

So are you saying that a smaller rudder is always better? Would you advise everyone to
downsize their rudder?

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
No, not what I was saying. Moving from a powerful/big rudder to a
small rudder leads to differences in response,

Taddy, PLEASE read what Donal wrote again. He indicated "difficulty" with the
rudder and helm. He also mentions the "small rudder" which clearly shows he
thinks this was the whole problem. The 31 will steer with a feather touch when
trimmed correctly.
He did not say he had problems coming through a tack, or through heavy chop, or
being overpowered.
Furthermore, the idiot writes...

"I thought that there was a serious
problem with the wheel steering. "

A "SERIOUS" problem??? Bwahahahahaha! Okay, Taddy!

RB

Would you advise everyone to
downsize their rudder?

Lose the rudder and steer with your sails. CLEARLY that's where I was going
with this!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB