Since several hundred Prouts have circumnavigated, does that mean the 200,000 monohulls
have done so? Virtually the entire Caribbean charter cat fleet has at least one major
passage. Even here in New England where cats are traditionally a rarity they're becoming
more common - in Salem last week I saw about a dozen.

If you had said 20 to one it might have been believable, but 1000 to one just shows you've
never been anywhere.

You seem to be very terrified of the ocean, Neal. Its a good thing you stay close to
shore.

BTW, half of the sailboats in my marina are cats. The other sailboat is a Mac26x.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Then why is this particular moron having so much trouble?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Actually, he didn't.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Christopher Columbus discovered America back in
1492 does that mean it never happened? Goodness
but there is a severe lack of logical thinking in the
world today.


"Oz1" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:58:32 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

You forgot to mention "Copyright 1978." There have been a few advances
in the last 25
years. But you wouldn't know about that. And Street is hardly the
person to use as an
authority on modern boats.

Bwaaahahahahahhahaahahahahaa! 1978!!
Bwaaahahahahahahhhahahaaa!
Hope Cappy isn't allergic to eggs because they're all over his face at
the moment!



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

That's the problem. You can't say more.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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A stability curve is a stability curve is a stability curve.

Need I say more, putz?


"Oz1" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:56:43 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Here is irrefutable proof of the unsuitability of multihulls
for world cruising. This is proof even lubbers understand
because it involves insurance which is something all lubbers
know and apparently love.

**********************

". . . one can easily see why most experienced yachtsmen
have a rather low opinion of multi-hulls generally, and why
many members of Lloyd's Underwriters in particular have
a very dim view of insuring multi-hulls for offshore voyages.
It is worthy of note that as of this writing, we find Tom Follett,
certainly one of the more experienced multi-hull sailors still
with us, sitting up in Nova Scotia having a "lead mine"
(a mono-hull with an extremely heavy lead keel) built for
cruising.

Follett sailed proas!

". . . Many experienced multi-hull sailors today have a trapdoor
in the wing section underneath the liferaft so that they can launch
it even if the boat is completely upside down - not a bad idea,
but it says little of their confidence in their own craft.
They do it because they can!

" . . . Finally, for the last five years I have continually asked
offshore multi-hull enthusiasts to name five experienced offshore
cruisers with a fair amount of offfshore racing under their belts
who have switched permanently from mono-hulls to multi-hulls.
At this point I have yet to locate a single person with those
qualifications,
much less five.
How old is this article?

"It cannot be denied that the loss of life at sea on multi-hulls has
been horrendous. Two of the leading designers, Arthur Piver and
Hedley Nichols, went down with their own boats, and in one period
of eighteen months, seventeen people were killed in the waters
between Australia and New Zealand. No one really knows the total
number lost in multi-hulls over the years.
How old is this article.....and just how many lives have been lost in
monos, anyone counting?

" . . . no one has ever heard of a single multi-hull that has capsized
180 degrees and come back up unaided. They have ultimate
stability when they are upside down.
Yep, better to stay upside down and float than sink like a leadmine!

"The (stability) curves of the catamaran and trimaran are wonderful
at low angles of heel, but drop off sharply as the critical point is
approached. Literally hundreds of mono-hulls have been knocked
flat to 90 degrees or slightly beyond and have come back up with
relatively little damage. Thousands of mono-hulls have taken 70
degree knockdowns and come back up with nothing worse than
a bad scare to the crew. But a catamaran or trimaran has little or
no chance of recovering from even a fifty degree knockdown."
Jeez, funny how he has taken no account of the huge forced required to
get to those "critical" levels.


--Donald M. Street

reproduced without permission of author from
"The Ocean Sailing Yacht II"

And just how long ago was that?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The Polynesians populated the Pacific 2000 in cats years ago. Are you saying that didn't
happen?

The point about Street is that he is addressed a time in the development of modern
multihulls that was indeed dangerous. But you could just as easily point to the state of
airplanes 90 years ago and say the planes are death traps. The homemade plywood racing
tris of 30 years ago have very little in common with a modern cruising cats.

Since you're so infatuated with traditional designs, are you suggesting we all go back to
boats like The Pride of Baltimore?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Christopher Columbus discovered America back in
1492 does that mean it never happened? Goodness
but there is a severe lack of logical thinking in the
world today.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:58:32 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

You forgot to mention "Copyright 1978." There have been a few advances in the last
25
years. But you wouldn't know about that. And Street is hardly the person to use as
an
authority on modern boats.

Bwaaahahahahahhahaahahahahaa! 1978!!
Bwaaahahahahahahhhahahaaa!
Hope Cappy isn't allergic to eggs because they're all over his face at
the moment!



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

You certainly have a short little attention span.
I bet your wife is very frustrated. No wonder
you didn't have a kid until your mid-fifties.

I guess it is too much of me to expect anyone
to grasp the concept that mono-hulls have been
plying the waters of the world for thousands
of years while the only multis were a few,
naked South Sea islanders on proas.

I stand by my numbers. I say they are
a fair representation since the "modern"
multi-hull is only about fifty years old and
significant quantities were not produced
until recently when know-nothings needed
a floating condominium for chartering on
week-ends and holidays. These multis
are an abomination. They, in no way,
can be considered anything but a whim
that makes the charter company money.

The main thing that wears out on them is
their oversized motors, generators, refrigerators,
mattresses and dock lines.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Since several hundred Prouts have circumnavigated, does that mean the 200,000 monohulls
have done so? Virtually the entire Caribbean charter cat fleet has at least one major
passage. Even here in New England where cats are traditionally a rarity they're becoming
more common - in Salem last week I saw about a dozen.

If you had said 20 to one it might have been believable, but 1000 to one just shows you've
never been anywhere.

You seem to be very terrified of the ocean, Neal. Its a good thing you stay close to
shore.

BTW, half of the sailboats in my marina are cats. The other sailboat is a Mac26x.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
That's the problem. You can't say more.

Sorry, but I don't have your talent for talking with
a dick in your mouth.

I stand by my numbers. I say they are
a fair representation since the "modern"
multi-hull is only about fifty years old

Wow, what an ignorant statement.

The modern multi is NOT 50 years old. I'd say less 20. In fact, in the last 10
years Multi's have enjoyed a gigantic leap in ability due to new builing
materials and techniques.
A modern cat is quite a boat.

RB

RB

Even you have to admit I got you good with that zinger!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Gee, you could have fool me.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
That's the problem. You can't say more.

Sorry, but I don't have your talent for talking with
a dick in your mouth.

That's not a zinger. A zinger is something like my response.
Sorry.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Even you have to admit I got you good with that zinger!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Gee, you could have fool me.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
That's the problem. You can't say more.

Sorry, but I don't have your talent for talking with
a dick in your mouth.