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Don't listen to Hero. He's a dolt.
If you can see it coming and have time, reef down as much as you're able. You want some sail up, so you can hold a course. You need to stay away from the shore. The boat is going to be better off in deep water rather than on the rocks. There's not much you can do about preventing a lightning strike. Suggestion: Don't kiss the mast. Stay away from metal/electonics. I'd leave up the main if at all possible. Reduce the jib size also. Don't try to anchor. All you'll do is trash either yourself or the boat. Keep sailing. It's better than running aground. Deep water is your friend. If you have time, get the boat prepared by stowing anything that can come loose, above or below decks. Have seasick prevention medicine and hand it out and take it yourself. Get into your foulies and have the crew do the same. Prepare them mentally for what's going to happen. You're the skipper and you have to keep the crew as calm as possible, which means you have to behave calmly. You could also call the CG on 16 and advise them of your position if you really think you might not be able to handle it. They will then keep track of you and might decide to ask for assistance on your behalf if they think it's necessary. Now that you've done it, what do you think you should have done differently? Remember, it's better to wish you were sailing than wish you weren't, but don't be afraid of the wind. The wind is your friend. "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? I feel very qualified to answer this question, since every time we take a vacation it seems the heavy weather raises its' head, as can be attested to bypast posts. There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. These are not insurmountable conditions. Rough, tough and can be scary, but not anything you can't learn to live with. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding First mistake....especially without an auxilliary...the wind could have forced you ashore and to grounding with a shift and most times the wave and surge action of the surf is more confused in the near coastal water...stay off the land but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. That's reasonable...not much you can do about it, though...pray? I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. 2nd big mistake...you shifted the balance of power on your boat. Our formula: Shorten jib, then reef, then drop jib. Bare poles just makes you a bobber in a frisky sea. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. So you can become a tied down bobber thrashing against the anchor? Very unpleasant. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. For shame. If a pontoon boat was able to manuever, the conditions were not bad enough that you shouldn't have been able to figure out how to sail out of it. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Shorten, reef, throw out a drogue (a bucket on a line will even work) Lightning? It's its' own entity. Nothing you can do about it. Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? NO Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? ALWAYS Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! You have gone out and bought a good set of foulies since, I hope. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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First, the comments about deep water don't apply to you if you're sailing in
the Northern Chesapeake. But, certainly stay away from the flats. 30-35mph (25-30k), while it can be unsettling for a small boat, should not be dangerous. The good thing about our summer thunderstorms is that they generally don't last very long. Reef your main and put up a storm jib (don't have one? Maybe worth the investment). The best thing is that you made it through and seem willing to go and try it again. Every time you try sailing in heavy weather, it builds your skills and makes you a little more prepared for the next time. -- ---- Steve S/V Pony Express Middle River, MD "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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You've already received some good advice, especially from Katy. There's a few points I'd
emphasize: the Typhoon is one tough boat - it should be capable of handling 40+ knots, even more if its properly set up. However, it is a tender boat and being rail down is not uncommon. A more important sign is that the helm is overpowered. The boat will stay better balanced under a double reef than jib alone. Also, the Typhoon will not do well clawing off a lee shore in nasty conditions - stay far enough off so that you don't feel you're dodging the rocks. BTW, did you mean "Northeast in Mt Desert," or do you haul the boat from MD to ME? -jeff www.sv-loki.com "The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the deli." "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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Considering the source this has got to be the funniest post
of the year. "katysails" wrote in message ... My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? I feel very qualified to answer this question, since every time we take a vacation it seems the heavy weather raises its' head, as can be attested to bypast posts. There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. These are not insurmountable conditions. Rough, tough and can be scary, but not anything you can't learn to live with. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding First mistake....especially without an auxilliary...the wind could have forced you ashore and to grounding with a shift and most times the wave and surge action of the surf is more confused in the near coastal water...stay off the land but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. That's reasonable...not much you can do about it, though...pray? I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. 2nd big mistake...you shifted the balance of power on your boat. Our formula: Shorten jib, then reef, then drop jib. Bare poles just makes you a bobber in a frisky sea. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. So you can become a tied down bobber thrashing against the anchor? Very unpleasant. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. For shame. If a pontoon boat was able to manuever, the conditions were not bad enough that you shouldn't have been able to figure out how to sail out of it. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Shorten, reef, throw out a drogue (a bucket on a line will even work) Lightning? It's its' own entity. Nothing you can do about it. Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? NO Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? ALWAYS Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! You have gone out and bought a good set of foulies since, I hope. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Greg... I commend your practice of no auxiliary... congratulations. The
standard practice for a full keeler is always 1]- Reef the Main ; 2] Reef the Main ; 3] Reef the Main..... after that reef your drive sail... the jib. A main alone on a full keeler is not recommended in high winds. A jib alone on a full keeler in gusty winds is a No No! The sails work better in unison. In gusty winds I find that you need to acquire a mindset that you are in this for the long run and the prime consideration is keeping a proactive attitude and an eye open for the approaching gusts. I would have put one crew on the jib sheet and myself on the main sheet to ease the sheets and maintain direction as the gusts hit. Only experience will teach you... Questions... you claimed to have sailed "upwind" so I assumed your home destination was downwind? .... you didn't give us the jib size.... roller furling? How many reefs do you have in the main? Your vessel should be able to easily undertake sailing in 35 knots with sails reefed and a 110 jib. There is nothing you can do about lightening strikes. I would strongly suggest a third reef in the main. Use it and you will be surprised as to how effective it actually is. I doubt you need a tow.... it seems the weather overwhelmed you. Use the wind don't fear it. CM "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... | I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul | weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in | the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no | outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing | experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and | unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I | have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught | in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably | 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as | close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt | very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the | high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was | still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push | the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with | the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger | of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got | a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very | high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? | Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring | until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping | the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience | is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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Jeff,
Thanks for the advise. I did feel afterward that I could have handled the weather but after 1 hour of nothing going as I planned I figured that I would ask for help. Now I feel like I have the knowledge to handle it next time. The CD Typhoon was kept at Hancock Point, ME for the last 8 years. My father and step-grandfather bought her as a means to get to know one another. My step-grandfather was an accomplished sailor and taught both myself and my father the fundamentals but we never had any experience in foul weather. She hadn't been in the water for the last 3 years. This winter my father and I brought her down to NJ to recondition her. Now she resides at Hances Point in Northeast, Chesapeake. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... You've already received some good advice, especially from Katy. There's a few points I'd emphasize: the Typhoon is one tough boat - it should be capable of handling 40+ knots, even more if its properly set up. However, it is a tender boat and being rail down is not uncommon. A more important sign is that the helm is overpowered. The boat will stay better balanced under a double reef than jib alone. Also, the Typhoon will not do well clawing off a lee shore in nasty conditions - stay far enough off so that you don't feel you're dodging the rocks. BTW, did you mean "Northeast in Mt Desert," or do you haul the boat from MD to ME? -jeff www.sv-loki.com "The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the deli." "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life
jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on and not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the room, you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to reduce the apparent wind. -- Njord I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. From Sea-Fever by John Masefield |
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the information. I was aprehensive about
posting at first because I have seen so many threads turn into flaming wars. So thanks everyone for the candid responses! Greg Bossert "Greg Bossert" wrote in message om... I have been sailing for the last 5 summers but just had my first foul weather experience. I sail in a Cape Dory Typhoon out of NorthEast in the Chesapeake and sometimes Frenchman's Bay in ME. The boat has no outboard and I had a one member crew with very little sailing experience. I was about 2 hours upwind when an unexpected (and unforcasted) storm moved through. My question is, what steps should I have taken when I knew that it was inevitable that I would be caught in foul weather? There were very high/gusty winds (probably 30-35mph+), heavy rain and ligntning all around. I made my way as close to shore as I thought possible without grounding but still felt very uncomfortable about the lightning. I droped the sails when the high winds hit and then tried to sail under the jib alone but was still healed over with the rail burried and the gusts would just push the bow downwind. I considered dropping anchor but had trouble with the rhode. When I got to the point when I felt that we were in danger of taking on heavy water I flagged down a passing pontoon boat and got a tow back to the harbor. Does anyone have advise on handling very high/gusty winds (strong enough to knock her down) and lightning? Would I have been better off pulling down the sails and anchoring until the weather moved through? Would reefing the main and dropping the jib be a better choice than flying the jib alone? Your experience is appreciated by a now slightly weathered guy! |
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Feel free to post anytime - and don't feel bad if the thread turns bizarre, its not your
fault. Just remember the basic rules: don't claim you know more than the regulars here, and never ever admit to calling SeaTow. -jeff www.sv-loki.com "The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the deli." "Greg Bossert" wrote in message ... Just wanted to thank everyone for the information. I was aprehensive about posting at first because I have seen so many threads turn into flaming wars. So thanks everyone for the candid responses! Greg Bossert |
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And NEVER admit you sail a catamaran.
"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Feel free to post anytime - and don't feel bad if the thread turns bizarre, its not your fault. Just remember the basic rules: don't claim you know more than the regulars here, and never ever admit to calling SeaTow. -jeff www.sv-loki.com "The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the deli." "Greg Bossert" wrote in message ... Just wanted to thank everyone for the information. I was aprehensive about posting at first because I have seen so many threads turn into flaming wars. So thanks everyone for the candid responses! Greg Bossert |
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You should have them on at all times while underway anyway.....
CM "Njord" wrote in message news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on and | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the room, | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to | reduce the apparent wind. | | -- | | Njord | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | |
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Tris are superior to cats in every way.
Weight? RB |
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Is it necessary, or wise, to provide a pathway for lightning, from the mast
to the water? If so, how would you fabricate and connect it? Scout "Simple Simon" wrote Lightning is no more likely to strike you well offshore |
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I heard of chains on the shrouds and stays.... really... what's next... a
telescopic mast? CM "Scout" wrote in message ... | Is it necessary, or wise, to provide a pathway for lightning, from the mast | to the water? If so, how would you fabricate and connect it? | Scout | | "Simple Simon" wrote | Lightning is no more likely to strike you well offshore | | |
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Superior in every way? Are you daft?
Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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CM,
I suppose with a million volts and more, it probably doesn't matter that the chain links may have very little contact area with each other. Hell, I could easily attach my anchor chain to a stay, and leave the anchor drag as conductive plate in the water. Never thought of that. I was wondering though, if cables wouldn't be a better conductor. I'm also wondering: given the right system, wouldn't a sailboat (or at least the passengers) be safer than those on a motorboat with no system to divert a strike? I saw a man get hit and killed by lightning while he was loading a motorcycle into the back of his pickup truck. Truthfully, the image stays with a person. His eyes looked like a couple of fried eggs. I get more than a bit nervous thinking about sailing around with a virtual sign that says, "Hey lightning, over here! pick me!" Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote I heard of chains on the shrouds and stays.... really... what's next... a telescopic mast? CM |
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Not in every way.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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I hung a sign on my mast that says, ''Christian''. It's worked so far.
Scotty "Scout" ... with a virtual sign that says, "Hey lightning, over here! pick me!" Scout |
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with a virtual sign that
says, "Hey lightning, over here! pick me!" Scout I have been nearly struck 3 times...thrown to the ground once...I figure my odds are lessening with each storm I'm out in (out in? what a strange expression to use...) It's a far better way to go than some...far more preferable to 2 years of chemo or being on a respirator.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Same thing happened to me, only it was in a biker bar in Philly : )
Scout "katysails" wrote I have been nearly struck 3 times...thrown to the ground once... |
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I actually only lost one fight, and that was because I slipped running
around the corner. Scout "Oz1" wrote Once? Jeez, you've lived a sheltered life, I've had my arse kicked more times than I like to remember. |
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I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive
buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the deck... FT "Capt. Mooron" wrote: You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... CM "Njord" wrote in message news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on and | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the room, | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to | reduce the apparent wind. | | -- | | Njord | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | |
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Try taking the 'kick me' sign off?
Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: Jeez, you've lived a sheltered life, I've had my arse kicked more times than I like to remember. |
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Are you saying the boat has bouyancy or do you? You **** yourself over a
missed tack? You should try relaxing more. Chill out. Sailing is fun... Cheers MC Flying Tadpole wrote: I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the deck... FT |
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The navigator © wrote: Are you saying the boat has bouyancy or do you? The boat. I'm not in LIS, remember. You **** yourself over a missed tack? You should try relaxing more. Chill out. Sailing is fun... Ha. I'm sure I would have seen the change on my yellow foulies. The wind then was 40kn, middle of a squall, and I was trying out to windward using just the ultimate 3-reefed main, no mizzen. I missed one tack, got cross with myself and wrathfully fell off a bit, then whipped her round without bothering to look at what was coming. Doing a whale breach or for that matter actually shipping it brown (remember, I do not have blue or green water) over the actual deck on the way down was not something I ever expected to be doing in a 30ft ballasted sailboat in a 12 foot deep lake with a normal maximum 5 foot wave. Serves me right for not looking and not letting that set go by before tacking her Flying Tadpole Cheers MC Flying Tadpole wrote: I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the deck... FT |
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Yawn.
(1) If you don't remember the colour of my pond, revisit the website. (2) I have never shipped a wave actually over the deck before on that lake in that boat. yes, the spa-bath in the bow well is great and exciting and all that, but solid past the mast? not in the usual lake waves. FT Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:27:45 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the deck... FT Jeez not that tired old tale again..... Funny init, most sailors talk about taking a greenie over the bow. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:52:05 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: So the tub tripped on a mud bank? Cheers MC Ohhhh OUCH!!! Youll get slapped in the face with a wet mud skipper for that one! Now why should I do that? I'm now a milder, gentler person, and I _do_ recognise the_navigator's reading and comprehension difficulties. Besides, if he doesn't realise by now that my cruising grounds are one big mudbank, there's no point in continuing with his education, is there? And anyway, all one can do is carp. Flying Tadpole |
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The beauty of sailing in a shallow pond is the option to walk home if the
boat sinks..... CM "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... | I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive | buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday | last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon | appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the | deck... | | FT | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... | | CM | | "Njord" wrote in message | news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life | | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on | and | | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the | room, | | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to | | reduce the apparent wind. | | | | -- | | | | Njord | | | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | | | |
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hey, we don't have those in philly, whatsamattafayou?
Scout "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... !!! what has happened to the neighbourhood! Cheers MC Same thing happened to me, only it was in a gay biker bar in Philly I have been nearly struck 3 times...thrown to the ground once... |
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I'm now a milder, gentler person Why? You were fine the way you were...Do you have degenerative personality disorder? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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No, I have a head cold and hay fever from too much dust and crude
oil, and a pulverised spine from too much bouncing over rain-damaged roads from the last couple of days (and disrupted sleep patterns too). So you see, I've been tenderised... Flying Tadpole katysails wrote: I'm now a milder, gentler person Why? You were fine the way you were...Do you have degenerative personality disorder? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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We did hit a carp once in Flying Tadpole II during a race.
Normally, you see all these finny backs rising out of the water but they sink just before the boat gets to them. This one got hit by our dagger board. Big enough to make the boat jolt. Incidentally, i did find new shoals appearing (or old ones extending) last weekend. I wasn't violently happy about it.... FT Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:55:59 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: And anyway, all one can do is carp. Flying Tadpole Maybe that's what you hit? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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At last! Finally!! A newsgroup heavy accepts that I'm more than
ten feet tall!!! Now all I gotta do is get this here mirror right.... Flying Tadpole "Capt. Mooron" wrote: The beauty of sailing in a shallow pond is the option to walk home if the boat sinks..... CM "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... | I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive | buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday | last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon | appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the | deck... | | FT | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... | | CM | | "Njord" wrote in message | news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life | | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on | and | | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the | room, | | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to | | reduce the apparent wind. | | | | -- | | | | Njord | | | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | | | |
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and he still managed to catch you and kick your arse??
Scout "Oz1" wrote I hit a guy in a lifejacket! |
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Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:45:23 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: We did hit a carp once in Flying Tadpole II during a race. Normally, you see all these finny backs rising out of the water but they sink just before the boat gets to them. This one got hit by our dagger board. Big enough to make the boat jolt. Incidentally, i did find new shoals appearing (or old ones extending) last weekend. I wasn't violently happy about it.... FT I hit a guy in a lifejacket! Well, there, you see? Proves a point. if he'd been safely tethered to his boat, he would have been well below your keel at the time and would not been at any risk of being run down by you. I think the best I ever saw was a friend's Mirror run down and over the top of a learning sailboarder.... |
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Oz1 wrote: You need some time in the big smoke. we've got all sorts of good things to play with,,, Ferries, 18' skiffs, after a flood we even get the occasional cow...bloated of course! Well I was, for a while, witht the original Flying Tadpole. But trying to sail her on the middle harbour was a nightmare, as all the gin palaces would rush over to get a close look. In the end we gave up and just terrorised the canoes in Iron Cove, which was our home ground anyway (Rozelle loony bin and all). Flying Tadpole |
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ARRRRRGGGH! Sooo ye sorta keelhauled him did ye matey?
Now that's good piratin'! Scout "Oz1" wrote we surfed up over him and wrapped him around the centreboard. He wasn't in any mood for kicking anyone! |
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IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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