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Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure.
Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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Any decent monomaran will not sink because it gets rolled
360 degrees. The structure is strong enough to withstand this treatment without taking on significant quantities of water. The myth about it is better to be upside down and afloat than right side up on the bottom is just that - myth. Try living on the outside of the hulls on an upside down multihull some time. You will not think it is such a great thing to be sure. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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and you still haven't gotten the message?
"katysails" wrote I have been nearly struck 3 times... |
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You were always 10 feet tall in my opinion Taddy..... but I doubt I'm a
news group heavy. CM "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... | At last! Finally!! A newsgroup heavy accepts that I'm more than | ten feet tall!!! Now all I gotta do is get this here mirror | right.... | | Flying Tadpole | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | The beauty of sailing in a shallow pond is the option to walk home if the | boat sinks..... | | CM | | "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message | ... | | I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive | | buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday | | last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon | | appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the | | deck... | | | | FT | | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | | | You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... | | | | CM | | | | "Njord" wrote in message | | news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | | | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don | life | | | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them | on | | and | | | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the | | room, | | | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach | to | | | reduce the apparent wind. | | | | | | -- | | | | | | Njord | | | | | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | | | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | | | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | | | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | | | | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | | | | | |
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That air inside there gets depleted of oxygen pretty fast
and is a death trap. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Try living on the inside, not the outside. There have been several documented cases of people doing that. Most monos when holed, sink... unless it's a fine vessel like yours, which has so much foam in it that you can't sit below. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Any decent monomaran will not sink because it gets rolled 360 degrees. The structure is strong enough to withstand this treatment without taking on significant quantities of water. The myth about it is better to be upside down and afloat than right side up on the bottom is just that - myth. Try living on the outside of the hulls on an upside down multihull some time. You will not think it is such a great thing to be sure. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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No way. You can always use the emergency hatch, and boats
are rarely air tight, especially after getting flipped. I talked to a guy who survived a hurricane in a catamaran. He was one of four people on a Venisia 43 (I believe) off of Belize when they got caught. He was below when the cat flipped. Somehow he had the presence of mind to lash himself to something and survived. The other three were washed away (harnesses and jacklines all) "above." I don't think he ever fully recovered from the experience. Apparently, the force of the water rushing through the hull was enough to strip him of his clothes and give him road rash over most of his body. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That air inside there gets depleted of oxygen pretty fast and is a death trap. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Try living on the inside, not the outside. There have been several documented cases of people doing that. Most monos when holed, sink... unless it's a fine vessel like yours, which has so much foam in it that you can't sit below. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Any decent monomaran will not sink because it gets rolled 360 degrees. The structure is strong enough to withstand this treatment without taking on significant quantities of water. The myth about it is better to be upside down and afloat than right side up on the bottom is just that - myth. Try living on the outside of the hulls on an upside down multihull some time. You will not think it is such a great thing to be sure. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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Cripes Jon... I think stepping up onto a 6 man offshore life raft with
supplies, a canopy, fishing gear and an EPRIB would be a far better choice.... just paddle around and retrieve any floating beer cans and rum bottles. CM "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | No way. You can always use the emergency hatch, and boats | are rarely air tight, especially after getting flipped. | | I talked to a guy who survived a hurricane in a catamaran. | He was one of four people on a Venisia 43 (I believe) off | of Belize when they got caught. He was below when the | cat flipped. Somehow he had the presence of mind to lash | himself to something and survived. The other three were | washed away (harnesses and jacklines all) "above." I don't | think he ever fully recovered from the experience. Apparently, | the force of the water rushing through the hull was enough to | strip him of his clothes and give him road rash over most of | his body. |
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I forgot about the rum bottles...
Actually, liferafts are pretty much useless. They're hard to deploy in bad conditions, hard to get into, and hard to live in. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Cripes Jon... I think stepping up onto a 6 man offshore life raft with supplies, a canopy, fishing gear and an EPRIB would be a far better choice.... just paddle around and retrieve any floating beer cans and rum bottles. CM "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | No way. You can always use the emergency hatch, and boats | are rarely air tight, especially after getting flipped. | | I talked to a guy who survived a hurricane in a catamaran. | He was one of four people on a Venisia 43 (I believe) off | of Belize when they got caught. He was below when the | cat flipped. Somehow he had the presence of mind to lash | himself to something and survived. The other three were | washed away (harnesses and jacklines all) "above." I don't | think he ever fully recovered from the experience. Apparently, | the force of the water rushing through the hull was enough to | strip him of his clothes and give him road rash over most of | his body. |
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He does? I mean, he does.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... They're hard to deploy in bad conditions, hard to get into, and hard to live in. So's a Coronado 27, but Neal manages! RB |
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So that's the explanation for Lady Kate! Thanks CM
MC Capt. Mooron wrote: The beauty of sailing in a shallow pond is the option to walk home if the boat sinks..... CM "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... | I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive | buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday | last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon | appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the | deck... | | FT | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... | | CM | | "Njord" wrote in message | news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don life | | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them on | and | | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the | room, | | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach to | | reduce the apparent wind. | | | | -- | | | | Njord | | | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | | | |
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. I beleive you -NOT!
Hahhahahahah Cheers MC Scout wrote: hey, we don't have those in philly, whatsamattafayou? Scout "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... !!! what has happened to the neighbourhood! Cheers MC Same thing happened to me, only it was in a gay biker bar in Philly I have been nearly struck 3 times...thrown to the ground once... |
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Is that any way to talk about the Oz family home?
Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:20:04 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: Well I was, for a while, witht the original Flying Tadpole. But trying to sail her on the middle harbour was a nightmare, as all the gin palaces would rush over to get a close look. In the end we gave up and just terrorised the canoes in Iron Cove, which was our home ground anyway (Rozelle loony bin and all). Flying Tadpole I thought you'd always been a mexican. My sister lived in Maida St Lilyfield. Right opposite the nut factory. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize?
Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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You just shrunk CM
Cheers MC Capt. Mooron wrote: You were always 10 feet tall in my opinion Taddy..... but I doubt I'm a news group heavy. CM "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... | At last! Finally!! A newsgroup heavy accepts that I'm more than | ten feet tall!!! Now all I gotta do is get this here mirror | right.... | | Flying Tadpole | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | The beauty of sailing in a shallow pond is the option to walk home if the | boat sinks..... | | CM | | "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message | ... | | I don't. I'm always tethered to a boat with full positive | | buoyancy. I did start to wonder whether to stick one on Sunday | | last, though. Especially when I mistimed a tack and the horizon | | appeared under the bow, followed by shipping it brown over the | | deck... | | | | FT | | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote: | | | | You should have them on at all times while underway anyway..... | | | | CM | | | | "Njord" wrote in message | | news:B2XOa.11$ob1.3@lakeread07... | | | No one mentioned it yet, but I think it would be a good idea to don | life | | | jackets. Hopefully, you won't need them, but it is better to put them | on | | and | | | not need them then to not put them on an wish you had. If you have the | | room, | | | you might also consider coming off the wind on a beam or broad reach | to | | | reduce the apparent wind. | | | | | | -- | | | | | | Njord | | | | | | I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide | | | Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; | | | And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, | | | And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. | | | | | | From Sea-Fever by John Masefield | | | | | | |
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That's survival in a cat? Sheesh -most monos would havejust sailed on.
Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: No way. You can always use the emergency hatch, and boats are rarely air tight, especially after getting flipped. I talked to a guy who survived a hurricane in a catamaran. He was one of four people on a Venisia 43 (I believe) off of Belize when they got caught. He was below when the cat flipped. Somehow he had the presence of mind to lash himself to something and survived. The other three were washed away (harnesses and jacklines all) "above." I don't think he ever fully recovered from the experience. Apparently, the force of the water rushing through the hull was enough to strip him of his clothes and give him road rash over most of his body. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That air inside there gets depleted of oxygen pretty fast and is a death trap. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Try living on the inside, not the outside. There have been several documented cases of people doing that. Most monos when holed, sink... unless it's a fine vessel like yours, which has so much foam in it that you can't sit below. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Any decent monomaran will not sink because it gets rolled 360 degrees. The structure is strong enough to withstand this treatment without taking on significant quantities of water. The myth about it is better to be upside down and afloat than right side up on the bottom is just that - myth. Try living on the outside of the hulls on an upside down multihull some time. You will not think it is such a great thing to be sure. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message .. . IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message .. . Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message news:jd5pgvc5edr9arhr85tje6hgoutco9utdl@4ax .com... But a tri is OK! |
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"Oz1" wrote in message ... It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. It's even more rare for a cruising multi to cruise. |
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It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they
often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Unfortunately, you're not far from the truth. Many people
overload them to the point of being dangerous. Monos are less likely to be overloaded. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Oz1" wrote in message ... It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. It's even more rare for a cruising multi to cruise. |
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It happened in the 1979 Fastnet race. At least one multi was
found with no one onboard. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Really? Can you name the boat?
Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: It happened in the 1979 Fastnet race. At least one multi was found with no one onboard. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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The myth about living in a capsized catamaran is not myth, it has happened on several
occasions. Its also true that cruising cats have only capsized a few times, so they actually have a high percentage of saving the lives of their crew. Any situation that can flip a cat will be able to roll a mono - in either case, if you're on deck at the time you have a serious problem. The catamarans have done a reasonable job of protecting their crew, the same cannot be said for the monohulls. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Any decent monomaran will not sink because it gets rolled 360 degrees. The structure is strong enough to withstand this treatment without taking on significant quantities of water. The myth about it is better to be upside down and afloat than right side up on the bottom is just that - myth. Try living on the outside of the hulls on an upside down multihull some time. You will not think it is such a great thing to be sure. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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That explains why the brand of sailboat with the largest number of circumnavigations is
probably Prout. Almost all of the Prout and PDQ owners I know have done some extended cruising. Can you say the same for Coronado owners? C&C owners? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Oz1" wrote in message ... It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. It's even more rare for a cruising multi to cruise. |
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So many? The actual number of cruising cats that have capsized is miniscule, depending on
how you draw the line perhaps only 5 or 10 in the last 50 years. Drawing the line is important - clearly racing boats are in a different category from cruising cats. It is accepted that if you don't capsize a racing tri on occasion you're not pushing it hard enough. I don't like to consider cats under about 34 feet as offshore seaworthy, since the general design does not scale down very well, and compromises are made to fit into a slip. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: Wrong again Neal. A mono will right it self to be sure. Occasionally, on the bottom. The catamaran won't right it self, but it'll still be floating. Also, you don't have to washing machine effect in a cat. If you flip, you stay flipped. If you prepare for that possibility, survivability goes way up, because you can stay with the boat. You don't need to purchase an expensive liferaft. The boat becomes the liferaft, as it should. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS, I should have said. The items you listed like limited cabin space, small cockpits etc. don't matter to real sailors. As a matter of fact limited cabin space is better and a small cockpit is better as far as real sailors are concerned. We don't want a floating condo or a condo ashore for that matter like you lubbers do. We want something safe and secure in which to sail. Any multi-hull is markedly inferior as far as seaworthiness is concerned compared to a proper monomaran. The reason for this is well known and is because as proper monomaran will recover from a capsize while a multimaran will remain upside down. Try sailing an upside-down boat sometime, that is, if you live through the violent turning and jarring that occurs from the cornerish nature of a multimaran. Your example of tens of thousands of cruising cats is 'ludicrisp' (Mike Tysonspeak). It proves your lubberly proclivities. Why else would the mention of 'folding' even be imagined. One need only fold when one places a cat near shore or ashore. Priorities, lubberboy, priorities! "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Superior in every way? Are you daft? Tris have a few advantages over cats: they tack better, they're usually faster in light air, there are some very neat folding designs. But overall, they don't make it as a cruising boat. Perhaps you've noticed that tens of thousands of cruising cats have been built, but there are virtually no cruising tris. A few reasons: they bounce back and forth on the amas, they have limited visibility, they're hard to get into, they have limited cabin space, the cockpit is usually very small. When they are overloaded they become dangerous. These are not drawbacks for a racing boat, but they certainly don't help a cruiser. On top of this, tris are much easier to capsize than cats; in fact the vast majority of multihull capsizes are tris. Once again you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on the topic. At least you're consistent. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Tris are superior to cats in every way. "Oz1" wrote in message ... But a tri is OK! |
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Oz1 wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:20:04 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: Well I was, for a while, witht the original Flying Tadpole. But trying to sail her on the middle harbour was a nightmare, as all the gin palaces would rush over to get a close look. In the end we gave up and just terrorised the canoes in Iron Cove, which was our home ground anyway (Rozelle loony bin and all). Flying Tadpole I thought you'd always been a mexican. My sister lived in Maida St Lilyfield. Right opposite the nut factory. Well, the top end of Foucart St wasn't that far away either |
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Chuck Kanter writes "there are only four documented cases of capsizes of cruising
catamarans while being cruised by owners or charterers" in the last 50 years. "Oz1" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:18:51 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC "Although statistics are sparse, a study of 35 publicized multihull capsizes between 1975 and 1985 contained only three cruisers, one anchored in a 170-knot hurricane. Ninety-one percent were racers, designed and sailed to the edge, and 60 percent occurred during racing or record attempts. A full 54 percent of the boats were eventually salvaged, some floating for months before retrieval. Ninety percent of the crews survived, and half of those lost were on a single boat shadowing the infamous 1979 Fastnet Race that claimed so many monohullers." http://www.2hulls.com/archive/Gen%20...apaulting.html Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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An interesting stat - not very relevant.
"The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Ever hear of Oyster? Greatest number of circums per vessel built. Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: That explains why the brand of sailboat with the largest number of circumnavigations is probably Prout. Almost all of the Prout and PDQ owners I know have done some extended cruising. Can you say the same for Coronado owners? C&C owners? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Oz1" wrote in message .. . It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. It's even more rare for a cruising multi to cruise. |
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Not so because multis are fast enough that they capsize both
from pitch-poling and going over sideways whereas monohulls being constrained by hull speeds rarely pitch pole. Furthermore multis actually capsize easier sideways because once they get to 90 degrees it's Katy bar the door while monomarans regularly right themselves from a 90 degree position. 90 degrees!? Every catamaran experiences negative stability (ie, Katy bar the door) well short of 99 deg. |
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I can't right off. I'd have to look in the book, which is in a box
in the garage. I'm sure it's pretty easy to find on a web search. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Really? Can you name the boat? Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: It happened in the 1979 Fastnet race. At least one multi was found with no one onboard. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Your observations are interesting but they don't seem to be backed up by facts. First
you're claiming that cats capsize and breakup, but the truth is it has probably never happened to a production cruiser. Now you're saying you've seen waves you don't think a cats can handle - but hundreds of Prouts have done circumnavigations without capsizes. Almost all of the Caribbean charter cats got there on their own bottoms with (almost) no problems. Now you're saying the most cats aren't suitable for ocean passages. Are you claiming the most monos are suitable? And you're claiming the cat can't go to windward? Most cruising cats can go to windward as well as cruising monos. Structural damage? Again, you're just making this up. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... I take your point about racers pushing it (racing monos also get broken) but the fact is I've seen waves with near sheer faces that would surely flip a cat -but not a mono. While you may get knocked on your ear you are nowhere near capsize and even if you do, with the wash boards in you'll come straight back up (assuming you have a blue water vessel). Even with wash board out, most monos will come back up even though they will flood down bit. Don't forget that more than 95% of big ocean crossing are made by monohulls with no problems at all. While a cat is nice in fair winds, you have to plan for the worst and that is where the mono is surely superior. Talk about being your life raft upside down is nonsense. The vessel should never become a life raft! Most cruising cats are completely unsuitable for ocean passages. They have massive windows to break, weak rigs, poor manouverability etc etc. Since they are not used to heeling their stowage is terrible. If you fall 20' across the bridge deck when she goes to even a mild 45 degress tell me about how your broken bones feel! The only choice in a cat is to run off and if that puts you in the dangerous quad then you are in big trouble. The fact is that monos generally sail the oceans because they are safer in extreme condtions than a cat. This may not be true for coastal vessels/passages with rescue close at hand. Listen to what really experienced ocean sailors (e.g. Blake or Knox-Johnson) say about which vessel is most scary in a storm... I think the ability to go to windward in a mono is a big plus wheras a cat simply cannot do it (structural failure is inevitable in slamming condtions). Since the speed benefit of cruising cats is now a thing of the past what's really the big advantage (I assume you are not going to object to a bit of heel) ? Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:18:51 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC "Although statistics are sparse, a study of 35 publicized multihull capsizes between 1975 and 1985 contained only three cruisers, one anchored in a 170-knot hurricane. Ninety-one percent were racers, designed and sailed to the edge, and 60 percent occurred during racing or record attempts. A full 54 percent of the boats were eventually salvaged, some floating for months before retrieval. Ninety percent of the crews survived, and half of those lost were on a single boat shadowing the infamous 1979 Fastnet Race that claimed so many monohullers." http://www.2hulls.com/archive/Gen%20...apaulting.html Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Nonsense.
"The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check it out! Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what boats are you actually talking about? "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Sorry Oz I'm not impressed by this. The righting moment curves (Macsurf
hahahhahahaha) show that he has no idea about stability. That he should publish such a blatently incorrect curve is astonishing. His experince is no doubt limited to fair weather -the fact that he considers a sinusoidal wave system shows that. I maintain that a cat will roll if caught beam on to serious gray beard. That is why your *only* optioin is to run off. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: Nav, you need to read this http://www.steamradio.com/JSYD/Articles/NESTalk.html I'll get back to you shortly, got a dental appointment. On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:30:08 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: I take your point about racers pushing it (racing monos also get broken) but the fact is I've seen waves with near sheer faces that would surely flip a cat -but not a mono. While you may get knocked on your ear you are nowhere near capsize and even if you do, with the wash boards in you'll come straight back up (assuming you have a blue water vessel). Even with wash board out, most monos will come back up even though they will flood down bit. Don't forget that more than 95% of big ocean crossing are made by monohulls with no problems at all. While a cat is nice in fair winds, you have to plan for the worst and that is where the mono is surely superior. Talk about being your life raft upside down is nonsense. The vessel should never become a life raft! Most cruising cats are completely unsuitable for ocean passages. They have massive windows to break, weak rigs, poor manouverability etc etc. Since they are not used to heeling their stowage is terrible. If you fall 20' across the bridge deck when she goes to even a mild 45 degress tell me about how your broken bones feel! The only choice in a cat is to run off and if that puts you in the dangerous quad then you are in big trouble. The fact is that monos generally sail the oceans because they are safer in extreme condtions than a cat. This may not be true for coastal vessels/passages with rescue close at hand. Listen to what really experienced ocean sailors (e.g. Blake or Knox-Johnson) say about which vessel is most scary in a storm... I think the ability to go to windward in a mono is a big plus wheras a cat simply cannot do it (structural failure is inevitable in slamming condtions). Since the speed benefit of cruising cats is now a thing of the past what's really the big advantage (I assume you are not going to object to a bit of heel) ? Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:18:51 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC "Although statistics are sparse, a study of 35 publicized multihull capsizes between 1975 and 1985 contained only three cruisers, one anchored in a 170-knot hurricane. Ninety-one percent were racers, designed and sailed to the edge, and 60 percent occurred during racing or record attempts. A full 54 percent of the boats were eventually salvaged, some floating for months before retrieval. Ninety percent of the crews survived, and half of those lost were on a single boat shadowing the infamous 1979 Fastnet Race that claimed so many monohullers." http://www.2hulls.com/archive/Gen%20...apaulting.html Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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The Tao of Mooron..... The Zen of Warriors..... the subtlety of a
razor's edge. CM "The_navigator_©" wrote in message | You just shrunk CM |
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No it's true. Come and look for yourself.
Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: Nonsense. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check it out! Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what boats are you actually talking about? "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Sorry Oz I'm not impressed by this. The righting moment curves (Macsurf
hahahhahahaha) show that he has no idea about stability. That he should publish such a blatently incorrect curve is astonishing. His experince is no doubt limited to fair weather -the fact that he considers a sinusoidal wave system shows that. I maintain that a cat will roll if caught beam on to serious gray beard. That is why your *only* optioin is to run off. Cheers MC Absolutely correct. How does the yacht generate a positive righting moment during a condition of negative stability? His piece is hopelessly biased. |
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Prout?
http://www.vonwentzel.net/Prout/07.S...al/02.Effects/ Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: Nonsense. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check it out! Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what boats are you actually talking about? "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Are you getting aroused Jl???....... Ha Ha ha ha ha ha
You'll always be the Wheel Dog.... get used to the view! CM "jlrogers" wrote in message y.com... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... | The Tao of Mooron..... The Zen of Warriors..... the subtlety of a | razor's edge. | | The stink of Male Animal, Number 2. | |
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Give it up if you can't do any better than that.
Navigator clearly has the upper hand in this discussion and is speaking from factual, first-hand information and he bears out my point that multis rarely cruise and those that do are in danger of capsize and structural failure is inevitable. Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and a stupid one at that. Just because you own a cat you are trying to defend them but your defense is as inept as your choice of vessels. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Nonsense. "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check it out! Cheers MC Jeff Morris wrote: I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what boats are you actually talking about? "The_navigator_©" wrote in message ... It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability. Cheers MC Oz1 wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_© wrote: Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize? Cheers MC Nah, you've got it all wrong. They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink. Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice as fast as an equivalent mono. It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and
a stupid one at that. Two years ago I was aboard a Prout that had done three Atlantic crossings without a hitch (actually both ways, which makes 6!). The husband and wife had enjoyed tremendous comfort and speed and suffered no serious problems. That Prout was a great liveaboard and sailed great. I'm no big fan of the looks of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono. Neal, you're a complete idiot who's so jealous of better boats (which is MOST) that your every post stinks of envey! Capt RB C&C 32 NY |
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Prouts are a joke and you know it. Any boat with the mainmast
in the cockpit has some serious design problems. It's a good thing they have nice, big motors or they would never go anywhere. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and a stupid one at that. Two years ago I was aboard a Prout that had done three Atlantic crossings without a hitch (actually both ways, which makes 6!). The husband and wife had enjoyed tremendous comfort and speed and suffered no serious problems. That Prout was a great liveaboard and sailed great. I'm no big fan of the looks of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono. Neal, you're a complete idiot who's so jealous of better boats (which is MOST) that your every post stinks of envey! Capt RB C&C 32 NY |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono. You cannot load a catamaran down with all the necessary cruising amenities and have it perform as well as a monohull, let alone be considered fast. If space and comfort your wont then stick with that flat in the city. You cannot take a flat to sea and expect it to sail. |
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