I've heard Dinesh D'Souza speak, and I like most of what he says. However,
when he speaks of plumbers and waiters and other such workers, and is in awe
that they have some cash and some rights, he also needs to know that it was
plumbers and waiters construction workers who fought, suffered, and often
died to make America what it is today.

We now live in a country where construction workers regularly pay $4 for a
nonfat latte
where maids drive nice cars, and where plumbers take their families on
vacation to Europe.
- Which is how it should be.

"I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat."
- this is true

no country has created a better ladder than America for people to ascend
from modest circumstances to success.
- this is true

Work and trade are respectable in America
- They deserve respect, but America still looks down on the tradespeople,
big mistake. This is not true in some other places, like Germany, where the
trades are honored. In America, we send our academically failing students,
behavior problems, malcontents, and social misfits to the Vocational high
schools to learn a trade. It is only the trade unions who are seeing
through this farce, and they recruit new members not from vocational high
schools, but from colleges. Trade Union members are told to not send their
children to vocational high schools. How sad this is that the educational
systems has *******ized an ancient and proven system of apprenticing.

In the American view, there is nothing vile or degraded about serving your
customers either as a CEO or as a waiter.
- Unfortunately, neither is likely to get good service. Try dealing with the
IRS, any insurance agency, any governmental agency, any business with more
than 50 employees. Good luck.

Indeed America is the only country in the world where we call the waiter
"sir," as if he were a knight.
- I was a waiter when I was a young college student, so I can't agree with
this one. People, especially our visiting neighbors from New York, treated
us like ****. Then they typically stiffed us for a tip. Meanwhile, food
workers make less than minimum wage.


For all his riches, Bill Gates could not approach the typical American
and say, "Here's a $100 bill. I'll give
it to you if you kiss my feet." Most likely the person would tell Gates
to go to hell!
- He should visit Times Square, people are doing a lot more than kiss feet
for a lot less money.

Scout

Even lawyers are unemployed.

There's too many. This is a fact not just lawyer bashing. Look at your phone
book. Lawyers probably account for 5% of your phone book. It's the reason for
the increasingly creative law suits.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Watch the housing bubble burst

Yea people have been saying that forever. 50 years ago my father was offered
the chance to buy ocean front property in Ocean City, Md for $100 an acre. He
said someday they will be giving that away. As anyone can probably figure out
that never happened.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Housing prices have been dropping in Japan and Germany for the last ten
years.
New Jersey had a housing bust about ten years ago.
Los Angeles has had a recent housing bust.
In the US 1930-1940 had a housing bust.

On the long term average housing prices do rise. The question is, how long
are you willing to wait for return on investment? What is that return?

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Watch the housing bubble burst

Yea people have been saying that forever. 50 years ago my father was
offered
the chance to buy ocean front property in Ocean City, Md for $100 an acre.
He
said someday they will be giving that away. As anyone can probably figure
out
that never happened.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:04:27 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote this crap:

Housing prices have been dropping in Japan and Germany for the last ten
years.

Where the hell did you hear that?

The Japanese bought Rockefeller Center in NYC because property values
were rising so fast they couldn't buy investment property in Tokyo.
They thought property in NYC would be a good investment.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

Read it in The Economist about three issues ago.


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:04:27 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote this crap:

Housing prices have been dropping in Japan and Germany for the last ten
years.

Where the hell did you hear that?

The Japanese bought Rockefeller Center in NYC because property values
were rising so fast they couldn't buy investment property in Tokyo.
They thought property in NYC would be a good investment.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

I've seen you miss the point before, but this time you missed it while simultaneously surrounding it with your ass. It must 'ave
slipped 'tween your cheeks and tickled your splinter.


"Scout" wrote in message ...
I've heard Dinesh D'Souza speak, and I like most of what he says. However,
when he speaks of plumbers and waiters and other such workers, and is in awe
that they have some cash and some rights, he also needs to know that it was
plumbers and waiters construction workers who fought, suffered, and often
died to make America what it is today.

We now live in a country where construction workers regularly pay $4 for a
nonfat latte
where maids drive nice cars, and where plumbers take their families on
vacation to Europe.
- Which is how it should be.

"I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat."
- this is true

no country has created a better ladder than America for people to ascend
from modest circumstances to success.
- this is true

Work and trade are respectable in America
- They deserve respect, but America still looks down on the tradespeople,
big mistake. This is not true in some other places, like Germany, where the
trades are honored. In America, we send our academically failing students,
behavior problems, malcontents, and social misfits to the Vocational high
schools to learn a trade. It is only the trade unions who are seeing
through this farce, and they recruit new members not from vocational high
schools, but from colleges. Trade Union members are told to not send their
children to vocational high schools. How sad this is that the educational
systems has *******ized an ancient and proven system of apprenticing.

In the American view, there is nothing vile or degraded about serving your
customers either as a CEO or as a waiter.
- Unfortunately, neither is likely to get good service. Try dealing with the
IRS, any insurance agency, any governmental agency, any business with more
than 50 employees. Good luck.

Indeed America is the only country in the world where we call the waiter
"sir," as if he were a knight.
- I was a waiter when I was a young college student, so I can't agree with
this one. People, especially our visiting neighbors from New York, treated
us like ****. Then they typically stiffed us for a tip. Meanwhile, food
workers make less than minimum wage.


For all his riches, Bill Gates could not approach the typical American
and say, "Here's a $100 bill. I'll give
it to you if you kiss my feet." Most likely the person would tell Gates
to go to hell!
- He should visit Times Square, people are doing a lot more than kiss feet
for a lot less money.

Scout

My splinter? hahaha!
Oh Please! Maybe I should just copy and paste someone else's opinion and
call it my own. As you do, for example. Your MO seems to consist mainly of
piggy-backing on what others are saying. This is America pal, surely you
can afford your own thoughts. I've read your work too, and no offense, but I
don't think I'll be worrying about your opinion anytime soon.
Ironically, I agreed with many of D'Souza's points. Still, you are saying I
must agree with everything he says, or risk your reprisals? Are you one of
those folks who cannot even be agreed with? Well, such is life (at least, in
America).
Scout


"jlrogers" wrote
I've seen you miss the point before, but this time you missed it while
simultaneously surrounding it with your ass. It must 'ave
slipped 'tween your cheeks and tickled your splinter.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I've heard Dinesh D'Souza speak, and I like most of what he says.
However,
when he speaks of plumbers and waiters and other such workers, and is in
awe
that they have some cash and some rights, he also needs to know that it
was
plumbers and waiters construction workers who fought, suffered, and
often
died to make America what it is today.

We now live in a country where construction workers regularly pay $4
for a
nonfat latte
where maids drive nice cars, and where plumbers take their families on
vacation to Europe.
- Which is how it should be.

"I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat."
- this is true

no country has created a better ladder than America for people to
ascend
from modest circumstances to success.
- this is true

Work and trade are respectable in America
- They deserve respect, but America still looks down on the
tradespeople,
big mistake. This is not true in some other places, like Germany, where
the
trades are honored. In America, we send our academically failing
students,
behavior problems, malcontents, and social misfits to the Vocational
high
schools to learn a trade. It is only the trade unions who are seeing
through this farce, and they recruit new members not from vocational
high
schools, but from colleges. Trade Union members are told to not send
their
children to vocational high schools. How sad this is that the
educational
systems has *******ized an ancient and proven system of apprenticing.

In the American view, there is nothing vile or degraded about serving
your
customers either as a CEO or as a waiter.
- Unfortunately, neither is likely to get good service. Try dealing with
the
IRS, any insurance agency, any governmental agency, any business with
more
than 50 employees. Good luck.

Indeed America is the only country in the world where we call the
waiter
"sir," as if he were a knight.
- I was a waiter when I was a young college student, so I can't agree
with
this one. People, especially our visiting neighbors from New York,
treated
us like ****. Then they typically stiffed us for a tip. Meanwhile, food
workers make less than minimum wage.


For all his riches, Bill Gates could not approach the typical
American
and say, "Here's a $100 bill. I'll give
it to you if you kiss my feet." Most likely the person would tell
Gates
to go to hell!
- He should visit Times Square, people are doing a lot more than kiss
feet
for a lot less money.

Scout

Touché, oh sphincter breath. However, agreement, or disagreement, is moot when the point is missed. And you couldn't find a piano
in the bathroom.


"Scout" wrote in message ...
My splinter? hahaha!
Oh Please! Maybe I should just copy and paste someone else's opinion and
call it my own. As you do, for example. Your MO seems to consist mainly of
piggy-backing on what others are saying. This is America pal, surely you
can afford your own thoughts. I've read your work too, and no offense, but I
don't think I'll be worrying about your opinion anytime soon.
Ironically, I agreed with many of D'Souza's points. Still, you are saying I
must agree with everything he says, or risk your reprisals? Are you one of
those folks who cannot even be agreed with? Well, such is life (at least, in
America).
Scout


"jlrogers" wrote
I've seen you miss the point before, but this time you missed it while
simultaneously surrounding it with your ass. It must 'ave
slipped 'tween your cheeks and tickled your splinter.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
I've heard Dinesh D'Souza speak, and I like most of what he says.
However,
when he speaks of plumbers and waiters and other such workers, and is in
awe
that they have some cash and some rights, he also needs to know that it
was
plumbers and waiters construction workers who fought, suffered, and
often
died to make America what it is today.

We now live in a country where construction workers regularly pay $4
for a
nonfat latte
where maids drive nice cars, and where plumbers take their families on
vacation to Europe.
- Which is how it should be.

"I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat."
- this is true

no country has created a better ladder than America for people to
ascend
from modest circumstances to success.
- this is true

Work and trade are respectable in America
- They deserve respect, but America still looks down on the
tradespeople,
big mistake. This is not true in some other places, like Germany, where
the
trades are honored. In America, we send our academically failing
students,
behavior problems, malcontents, and social misfits to the Vocational
high
schools to learn a trade. It is only the trade unions who are seeing
through this farce, and they recruit new members not from vocational
high
schools, but from colleges. Trade Union members are told to not send
their
children to vocational high schools. How sad this is that the
educational
systems has *******ized an ancient and proven system of apprenticing.

In the American view, there is nothing vile or degraded about serving
your
customers either as a CEO or as a waiter.
- Unfortunately, neither is likely to get good service. Try dealing with
the
IRS, any insurance agency, any governmental agency, any business with
more
than 50 employees. Good luck.

Indeed America is the only country in the world where we call the
waiter
"sir," as if he were a knight.
- I was a waiter when I was a young college student, so I can't agree
with
this one. People, especially our visiting neighbors from New York,
treated
us like ****. Then they typically stiffed us for a tip. Meanwhile, food
workers make less than minimum wage.


For all his riches, Bill Gates could not approach the typical
American
and say, "Here's a $100 bill. I'll give
it to you if you kiss my feet." Most likely the person would tell
Gates
to go to hell!
- He should visit Times Square, people are doing a lot more than kiss
feet
for a lot less money.

Scout

How would you know if I missed the point, or for that matter what the point
really is? And btw, when you throw something out there, particularly
something you didn't even bother to write yourself, then just be quiet, be
patient, and listen to what comes back. Ever fancy that an American might
have some legitimate feelings, based on personal experiences, about what it
means to labor, sacrifice, and live in America? Or do you suppose that only
Indians are experts on Americans?
Had you paused to cogitate, you might have considered the fact that I have
heard D'Souza speak at length, and might have formulated a different take on
his perspective than you gleaned from the blurb you pasted in here. And I'm
not even disagreeing with his thesis for God's sake!
So listen up Admiral Splinter, I think you can be saved in spite of your
narrow views and rude ways, but you must read this quotation aloud, or
nothing good can come of this. Ok? Ready?
"From now on, the point is whatever Scout says it is!"
Did you say it? Yes? Good Boy!
Scout
p.s. It shouldn't surprise anyone that you'd keep a piano in the bathroom,
it would explain the splinters in your sphincter. A fluffy cover would make
a nifty stool softener.
Touché Douché



"jlrogers" wrote in message
. ..
Touché, oh sphincter breath. However, agreement, or disagreement, is moot
when the point is missed. And you couldn't find a piano
in the bathroom.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
My splinter? hahaha!
Oh Please! Maybe I should just copy and paste someone else's opinion and