Message for Ganzy
 

While sailing is not soley about money, I'm fairly sure you'd do better than
Scotty if you decided to invest in a bigger better boat.
Don't worry, I know you can't speak the truth about Scotty's boat and that's
fine.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

You're right. I can't speak the truth about Scott's boat
because I haven't seen it, nor have I seen him sail. From
all accounts I read, he's a heck of sailor.

Sailing is not about money at all you fool. A boat isn't
an investment. It's not a stepping stone. It's not a means
to an end. It's a transcendental experience. Even Neal
knows that. In fact, just about everyone here, except I
guess you, could probably atest to the life-changing
experience of sailing. It doesn't matter if you have a 14'
dinghy or a 68' Swan. You can't stand in front of the wind
and the sea and be unchanged by it, whether or not the
wind is on a small lake or an ocean passage.

Do you really believe the people who do the Around Alone
race do it for the money or the fame? Do you really believe the kids
who race lasers are doing it for the money or even the fame? Do
you really believe that my friend who just bought a Tartan 42 is
thinking about the money it's costing him to get it ready for the
coast express to Cabo?

All you seem to do here is brag about your things, your stereo,
or your electronics, or your Alien girls or whatever you call
them. All you seem capable of doing is to try and put down
other people and their boat choices. It seems to me that despite
your boating pictures, despite the likelihood that you do actually
get out on the water, you don't have a clue about what you're
experiencing. Quite honestly, it's quite pathetic.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
While sailing is not soley about money, I'm fairly sure you'd do better
than
Scotty if you decided to invest in a bigger better boat.
Don't worry, I know you can't speak the truth about Scotty's boat and
that's
fine.

RB

Smell the wind
 

Right on , Jon. Have you ever been somewhere on land and a nice breeze is
blowing and you just sorta stick your nose into the wind, breathe it in,
sigh, and get *that* feeling? I wonder if non-sailors ever do that?
--
Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote...
You can't stand in front of the wind
and the sea and be unchanged by it, whether or not the
wind is on a small lake or an ocean passage.

Message for Ganzy
 

From
all accounts I read, he's a heck of sailor.


Really, have you read about Scotty's sailing somewhere we haven't?

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

You can't stand in front of the wind
and the sea and be unchanged by it, whether or not the
wind is on a small lake or an ocean passage.

The fact that so many people could care less about boats and the sea disputes
this. Some people want to climb a mountain or fly. The sea doesn't interest
them.
What narrow thinkers Ganzy and Scotty are!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

Don't you enjoy sailing, Robert?

I love it, but I don't dishonor the true heritage of boats by treating it like
a some kind of superior experience.
That's why I'm so generous with her, inviting practically anyone out for a
sail.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

I love it, but I don't dishonor the true heritage of boats by treating it
like
a some kind of superior experience.
That's why I'm so generous with her, inviting practically anyone out for a
sail.

You need a thesaurus, man. This writing hurts.

Message for Ganzy
 

That isn't surprising. After all, no decent sailors would go out for a
half hour motorsail with a wimp who is prone to panic attacks in an F3.

Its struck me when you wrote that you have hit on the current that runs through
all Boobs' photos. There is a wariness, something just short of panic, in the
eyes of the people on his boat, as if they are thinking "Does he really have
any clue what he is doing, and how do I get out of here in one piece". There
certainly is an air of tension on his boat, and not fun and relaxation. Maybe
its due to the intense traffic where he sails.

Message for Ganzy
 

a some kind of superior experience.

True sailors have always treated sailing as a special experience.

There's a big difference between "special" and "superior." Your effort to make
sailing into some form of elitist activity is nothing short of horrific.
Still, it's your boat. Do as you please.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

No. I just read his posts.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
From
all accounts I read, he's a heck of sailor.


Really, have you read about Scotty's sailing somewhere we haven't?

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

A sailboat is not a tool you fool. It's a boat upon which
you float, eat, ****, and soap. It's a vessel for travelling
not for arriving. Why do you think they say that hope
floats?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
A boat isn't
an investment. It's not a stepping stone. It's not a means
to an end. It's a transcendental experience.

Wrong, Ganzy. A boat is a tool, one of man's finest. Calling it a
"transcendental experience" is further yupicifcation of that concept.
What an insult you and Scotty are to the heritage of boats!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

They haven't stood in front of the wind and the sea. Anyone
who does is changed by it. Obviously, you haven't either.
Too bad.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You can't stand in front of the wind
and the sea and be unchanged by it, whether or not the
wind is on a small lake or an ocean passage.

The fact that so many people could care less about boats and the sea
disputes
this. Some people want to climb a mountain or fly. The sea doesn't
interest
them.
What narrow thinkers Ganzy and Scotty are!

RB

Smell the wind
 

Ganzy was right, you haven't got a clue have you?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
start feeling
off. turn the car around and head toward the sea, closer I get the
better I feel.

yeah, like Katy turning her big nose into the wind to see "where" it's
coming
from...

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

They haven't stood in front of the wind and the sea. Anyone
who does is changed by it.

More nasty elitist crap. Not everyone is "changed by the sea" Ganzy. Some of us
where with the sea all along. And others could care less and live in the
mountains.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

sad, truly pathetically sad.


"Bobsprit" wrote

A boat is a tool

Message for Ganzy
 

You're wasting your time , Donut. bob hasn't got a clue.


--
Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Don't you enjoy sailing, Robert?

I love it, but I don't dishonor the true heritage of boats by treating
it
like
a some kind of superior experience.

True sailors have always treated sailing as a special experience. Think
about all the superstision that surrounds boating?

Why do you think that they used to have a model of a topless female on a
vessel's bowsprit (as opposed to titless she-male model on Bobsprit's
vessel)?

That's why I'm so generous with her, inviting practically anyone out for
a
sail.

That isn't surprising. After all, no decent sailors would go out for a
half hour motorsail with a wimp who is prone to panic attacks in an F3.


Regards

Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
a some kind of superior experience.

True sailors have always treated sailing as a special experience.

There's a big difference between "special" and "superior." Your effort to
make
sailing into some form of elitist activity is nothing short of horrific.

Tut, tut, Robert. Sailing is not an elitist activity. _You_ are the
living proof that sailing is not elitist.

Nobody could call sailing "elitist" when people like you and Danny have
boats.


Still, it's your boat. Do as you please.

True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I please!!!



Regards



Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I please!!!

Rapists and pedaphiles also do as they please, at least until they're caught.
Enjoy your "hobby."


RB

Message for Ganzy
 

sad, truly pathetically sad.

In scott's case a boat is a horrific loss of cash and waste of time!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

he's losing it.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I
please!!!

Rapists and pedaphiles also do as they please, at least until they're
caught.
Enjoy your "hobby."


RB

Message for Ganzy
 

hahahahahhahahaha more, more please!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
sad, truly pathetically sad.

In scott's case a boat is a horrific loss of cash and waste of time!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

Only a sailor would understand. That is why boobsy doesn't.

--
Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG


"katysails" wrote in message
...

but I don't dishonor the true heritage of boats by treating it
like
a some kind of superior experience

Sailors all through history (at least those that chose to sail and weren't
impressed) have thought sailing to be a superior
experience. If you equate the act of sailing to any other day-in/day-out
experience, why do it? It's not like you have to.
There must be something about it that is superior in your eyes or else
there would be no purpose for it.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit.
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Smell the wind
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Right on , Jon. Have you ever been somewhere on land and a nice breeze is
blowing and you just sorta stick your nose into the wind, breathe it in,
sigh, and get *that* feeling? I wonder if non-sailors ever do that?
--


When I wake up in the morning, I can tell if a SW or W wind is blowing. I
don't know how I know that it is a SW wind that is blowing, but it seems to
touch something very deep inside me, and it makes me want to be near water.


I think that it stems from my early teens. I grew up beside a lake. I
used to enjoy walking along the shore from the age of about 10. In
autumn(fall) the wind was usually a SW, and often about F6. This wind was
warm, but it carried a lot of rain. I used to walk along the shore(miles
from the nearest human) wearing an anorak with the hood up, to protect me
from the rain. It was very cosy, and warm, as the waves crashed in.

I can't figure out how I *know* that it is a SW that is blowing. Maybe it
is temperature related, ... maybe humidity plays a part .... it might even
be that a SW is more blustery than a wind from any other direction.

Last winter we had a F10 for the first time in many years. I had to drive
down to the coast to see and _feel_ the sea. I don't know why, but it
*was* wonderful.



Regards


Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

Any speculations on which definition he means?

tool ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tl)
n.
A device, such as a saw, used to perform or facilitate manual or mechanical work.

A machine, such as a lathe, used to cut and shape machine parts or other objects.
The cutting part of such a machine.
Something regarded as necessary to the carrying out of one's occupation or profession: Words are the tools of our trade.
Something used in the performance of an operation; an instrument: "Modern democracies have the fiscal and monetary tools... to
end chronic slumps and galloping inflations" (Paul A. Samuelson).
Vulgar Slang. A penis.
A person used to carry out the designs of another; a dupe.

A bookbinder's hand stamp.
A design impressed on a book cover by such a stamp.
Computer Science. An application program, often one that creates, manipulates, modifies, or analyzes other programs.

v. tooled, tool·ing, tools
v. tr.
To form, work, or decorate with a tool.
To ornament (a book cover) with a bookbinder's tool.
Slang. To drive (a vehicle): tooled the car at 80 miles an hour.

v. intr.
To work with a tool.
Slang. To drive or ride in a vehicle: tooled up and down the roads.

Phrasal Verb:
tool up
To provide an industry or a factory with machinery and tools suitable for a particular job.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Middle English, from Old English tl, possibly from Old Norse.]
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit.
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Message for Ganzy
 

but I don't dishonor the true heritage of boats by treating it
like
a some kind of superior experience

Sailors all through history (at least those that chose to sail and weren't impressed) have thought sailing to be a superior
experience. If you equate the act of sailing to any other day-in/day-out experience, why do it? It's not like you have to.
There must be something about it that is superior in your eyes or else there would be no purpose for it.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit.
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Smell the wind
 

"katysails" wrote in message ...
where's it coming from, then I immediately wonder what the wave height is out on the old Sea of Michigan,


Haaaaaaaaaaa ah hah ah ah h ahahh ahh ah hah
hah a hh a h ahha ha h!

Sea of Michigan, indeed! It is amazing how some people
inadvertantly reveal their shame at sailing inland ponds and
lakes so they resort to calling these placid bodies of water
'seas' in order to bolster their sagging egos.

Smell the wind
 

I literally get stir crazy when I'm so far inland that I haven't
smelled the ocean for a couple of weeks.

I lived in St Louis, MO for threre years. It was the only time I lived away from the Great Lakes and although St. Louis is a
nice place, being stuck in the middle of a place whose only water is 3 big rivers was claustrophobic. Couldn't wait to get back
to MI, even with the cold weather...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit.
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Message for Ganzy
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I
please!!!

Rapists and pedaphiles also do as they please, at least until they're
caught.
Enjoy your "hobby."


Oh dear. You've gone over the deep end again.

If I do as I please on my boat, your twisted mind brings all sorts of
illegal practices into play. Sad.... very sad!

Don't you do as you please on your boat?



Regards


Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

He's gone straight off the deep end.

He'll dissappear now, for a few months, I suppose.


Regards

Donal
--



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
he's losing it.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I
please!!!

Rapists and pedaphiles also do as they please, at least until they're
caught.
Enjoy your "hobby."


RB

Message for Ganzy
 

C'mon, Donut, it took me a while to come up with the perfect number. 2 was
too few, 4 too many, maybe, 5 would have been unbelievable (maybe not to
bob, though) but 3, yes, 3 sounded like the perfect bait.

--
Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG





"Donal" wrote i

Oh, Robert! Please tell us that you realise that Scotty was trolling with
that post.

I refuse to believe that you are a complete sucker!

I really hope that I have completely misunderstood your post as, although
you have often appeared to be an idiot, you don't usually look this
stupid.


Don't let me down. Prove to us that you knew that Scotty was trolling.


Thanks,


Donal
--

Smell the wind
 

do you sleep in a tent?

just kidding, great post.

bob won't understand it.

--
Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG




"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Right on , Jon. Have you ever been somewhere on land and a nice breeze
is
blowing and you just sorta stick your nose into the wind, breathe it in,
sigh, and get *that* feeling? I wonder if non-sailors ever do that?
--


When I wake up in the morning, I can tell if a SW or W wind is blowing. I
don't know how I know that it is a SW wind that is blowing, but it seems
to
touch something very deep inside me, and it makes me want to be near
water.


I think that it stems from my early teens. I grew up beside a lake. I
used to enjoy walking along the shore from the age of about 10. In
autumn(fall) the wind was usually a SW, and often about F6. This wind
was
warm, but it carried a lot of rain. I used to walk along the shore(miles
from the nearest human) wearing an anorak with the hood up, to protect me
from the rain. It was very cosy, and warm, as the waves crashed in.

I can't figure out how I *know* that it is a SW that is blowing. Maybe it
is temperature related, ... maybe humidity plays a part .... it might
even
be that a SW is more blustery than a wind from any other direction.

Last winter we had a F10 for the first time in many years. I had to drive
down to the coast to see and _feel_ the sea. I don't know why, but it
*was* wonderful.



Regards


Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

I don't get the connection between a boat and pedophiles.

I'm glad I don't.
--

Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG




"Donal" wrote in message
...
He's gone straight off the deep end.

He'll dissappear now, for a few months, I suppose.


Regards

Donal
--



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
he's losing it.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
True. It *is* my boat. I'm glad that you allow me to do as I
please!!!

Rapists and pedaphiles also do as they please, at least until they're
caught.
Enjoy your "hobby."


RB

Message for Ganzy
 

He should be locked up!


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I don't get the connection between a boat and pedophiles.

I'm glad I don't.


Poor Bobby. What on Earth is going on inside his head?

Maybe everybody who sails in LIS is a Pedo?????

Whatever the explanation is, we must offer Bobby our support in this
difficult time.


Regards


Donal
--

Message for Ganzy
 

Yeah, those and all the others.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No. I just read his posts.

And which post specifically leads you to think that he knows how to sail?
Was
it his "wife sleeping" post? The one about the bad waterpump? Or the one
where
he couldn't back into a slip?

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

That's right. A sailboat is not a tool. Perhaps a tug is,
or perhaps a tanker, or a fishing boat, but a sailboat
is the antithesis of a tool.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
A sailboat is not a tool you fool. It's a boat

A boat isn't a tool?

Oh, okay!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

So you're saying you're a fish. Well, I have to agree.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
They haven't stood in front of the wind and the sea. Anyone
who does is changed by it.

More nasty elitist crap. Not everyone is "changed by the sea" Ganzy. Some
of us
where with the sea all along. And others could care less and live in the
mountains.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

There must be something about it that is superior in your eyes or else there
would be no purpose for it.

What shallow terms you all live on. The sad part is that you don't even realize
it.
No, Katy. Sailing is not "superior" in my eyes. It's just was "I" happen to
enjoy. To rank it on ANY level is to dishonor what it means to me and what it
once was.
You just don't get it. Nor will you ever.

Capt RB

Message for Ganzy
 

Only a sailor would understand.

No sailor get's overly romantic about the roots of sailing. It just wasn't the
case. It was a brutal life. Our version is a joke compared to "real" sailors.
As I said before, you dishonor the spirit of sailing by attempting to rate it,
rank it or in any way classify it in some shallow elitist manner.
I'm truly dissapointed in this shallow and openly materialistic view of one of
the oldest and most dangerous professions.
It's no wonder that I've eclipsed most of you already.

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

and you're clueless.

Poor Scotty! He's in a roid rage and shot himself that time!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Message for Ganzy
 

I know...... but I enjoy wasting my time.

If only you wasted a bit more before buying a Beneteau!

RB