That's a crock with sturdy Dacron cruising sails unless it's done for
extended periods in high winds. The sail against the spreader and stay does
not cause accelerated abrasion at low wind speeds. I have done this with my
main and have seen it done on many vessels... I have yet to see significant
wear show on my sail in that area.

I'm not saying it won't cause abrasion... just that in light airs when it's
usually employed.. the effect is negligible. In winds strong enough to cause
the material to rub with force you would not elect to have the main so far
over.

CM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Yes, but the sails shouldn't be against the shrouds. It causes
| a lot of wear and tear for no reason.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Ever hear the term "Broad Reach".... or "Beam Reach"????
|
| CM
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| | You claimed you were reaching in a couple of the pictures,
| | but the mainsail is against the spreaders. How come?
| |
| | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
| |
| | "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| | sailing.
| |
| | "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| | pictures of him sailing."
| |
| | "The loser never leaves the mooring."
| |
| | And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| | his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| | pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
| |
| | I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| | from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| | real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| | the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| | cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| | effort.
| |
| | http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
| |
| | Enjoy!
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

You sound like a sailing instructer which is one level above a dockside
sailor. You are not on the vessel at the time and you have no clue as to
what the vessel demands in trim or set to achieve it's sweet spot. In short
you are talking through your hat.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| I don't think that's a valid reason for letting them rub like that.
| Bean reaching with proper sail trim.
|
| You should rethink your technique.
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Moroon is right. I was beam reaching and had the sail adjusted
| accordingly. The sail is very full because the outhaul is eased.
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| You claimed you were reaching in a couple of the pictures,
| but the mainsail is against the spreaders. How come?
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
|
| "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| sailing.
|
| "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| pictures of him sailing."
|
| "The loser never leaves the mooring."
|
| And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
|
| I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| effort.
|
| http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
|
| Enjoy!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

You are not on the vessel at the time and you have no clue as to
what the vessel demands in trim or set to achieve it's sweet spot. In short
you are talking through your hat.

Well said. I attacked the sails themselves, but comments on trim from photo's
are pretty sad in most cases. If you're not on the boat YOU DON'T KNOW.
In Gay Ganzy's case, he doesn't know when he's on the boat!

RB

It is easy to tell the real sailors from the wannabes.

If there is one, consistent problem that can be observed
from watching the sailing techniques of a cross sectrion of
sailors is that approximately 80% of them always have their
sails sheeted in too much for the point of sail they are on.

Sailors who free their sails are doing it right. A little chafe on
the lowers or the spreaders is what baggywrinkle is for if
it bothers people so much they should add it to their boats
instead of sheeting in too much for the conditions.

Installing several telltales of a bit of yarn on the sails is the
only way to really get a handle on proper sail trim. No
telltales = no sailor.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
You sound like a sailing instructer which is one level above a dockside
sailor. You are not on the vessel at the time and you have no clue as to
what the vessel demands in trim or set to achieve it's sweet spot. In short
you are talking through your hat.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| I don't think that's a valid reason for letting them rub like that.
| Bean reaching with proper sail trim.
|
| You should rethink your technique.
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Moroon is right. I was beam reaching and had the sail adjusted
| accordingly. The sail is very full because the outhaul is eased.
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| You claimed you were reaching in a couple of the pictures,
| but the mainsail is against the spreaders. How come?
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
|
| "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| sailing.
|
| "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| pictures of him sailing."
|
| "The loser never leaves the mooring."
|
| And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
|
| I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| effort.
|
| http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
|
| Enjoy!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

See my other post. I'm interested in good sailing habits of
my students, not in trying to educate a drunken fool who
sails for two days out of the year.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
You sound like a sailing instructer which is one level above a dockside
sailor. You are not on the vessel at the time and you have no clue as to
what the vessel demands in trim or set to achieve it's sweet spot. In
short
you are talking through your hat.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| I don't think that's a valid reason for letting them rub like that.
| Bean reaching with proper sail trim.
|
| You should rethink your technique.
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Moroon is right. I was beam reaching and had the sail adjusted
| accordingly. The sail is very full because the outhaul is eased.
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| You claimed you were reaching in a couple of the pictures,
| but the mainsail is against the spreaders. How come?
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
|
| "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| sailing.
|
| "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| pictures of him sailing."
|
| "The loser never leaves the mooring."
|
| And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
|
| I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| effort.
|
| http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
|
| Enjoy!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

I bet you know more about lathering perfume on yourself
than I. You're the one who doesn't bathe, thus needs to
cover the stink.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I bet you not only "bathe" twice a day.... but lather on the perfume
afterwards!

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Basically, he doesn't bathe.
|
| "felton" wrote in message
| ...
| On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:58:18 -0400, "Simple Simon"
| wrote:
|
| I've got two tanks. One in the main saloon that holds 12 gallons
| and is used for the sink in the head for washing, shaving, brushing
| teeth, etc.
|
| I put in another 18-gallon polyethelyne tank under the cockpit
| that holds water for the galley sink which I use for drinking,
cooking,
| rinsing dishes (I wash them in salt water), making coffee, etc.
| Keeping the tanks topped off is an ongoing process.
|
| I have three, six-gallon plastic water jugs I used to ferry water
from
| ashore to keep the tanks full. These I keep full until I have to
empty
| them into the tanks then I re-fill them ashore. I pilfer water from
| various
| places near the dinghy landing. I also collect rainwater for bathing
| purposes.
| This I keep in gallon jugs.
|
| Thanks I was wondering about that.
|
| "felton" wrote in message
| ...
| I can see where your electrical energy comes from, but what is your
| water tankage capacity and how do you manage your water supply out
on
| the mooring? Something I have been curious about.
|
| Thanks
|
|
| On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:32:28 -0400, "Simple Simon"
| wrote:
|
| I have four Shell (formerly Siemens) panels. The model number is
| SM50-H.
| These reside atop the bimini. The two on the sailboard are soon to
be
| gotten
| rid of as they are old, and off-brand and only output about half
of
| their original
| rating.
|
| The Shell panels are rated at a little over three amps each or
fifty
| watts. Times
| it by four and it amounts to 12 amps or 200 watts. The older
panels
| only
| output a little over one amp each. They are about at the end of
their
| useful
| life. I plug them in when I've got everything but the kitchen sink
| running off
| the batteries.
|
| If you are going to use a fridge you need about four of the Shell
| panels to
| do it right.
|
|
| "Synergy" wrote in message
| . ..
| Simon,
|
| Exactly how many solar cells do you have onboard? What model(s)
are
| they
| and how much juice do they produce? I'm thinking of installing
at
| least one
| on our boat but I'm not sure how effective they are. We're
looking
| for
| something that can replenish the house while we use our fridge
on
| the hook
| ~3AH/day.
|
| Louis
| s/v Synergy
| Westsail 32 #679
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
|
| "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| sailing.
|
| "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| pictures of him sailing."
|
| "The loser never leaves the mooring."
|
| And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
|
| I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| effort.
|
| http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
|
| Enjoy!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

I'm allergic to base metals, soaps and perfumes.
Due to my metabolism I don't have an unpleasant body odour.

Thanx for your concern about my hygiene.

CM



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| I bet you know more about lathering perfume on yourself
| than I. You're the one who doesn't bathe, thus needs to
| cover the stink.

I drive down several times a month year round. There's really nothing
you can make of that no matter how deperate you are.

Kinda defennsive..take it easy. I only sighed.

RB

Actually, I was concerned about the people around you.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I'm allergic to base metals, soaps and perfumes.
Due to my metabolism I don't have an unpleasant body odour.

Thanx for your concern about my hygiene.

CM



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| I bet you know more about lathering perfume on yourself
| than I. You're the one who doesn't bathe, thus needs to
| cover the stink.

Well, we the wear marks on several of our mains. While it's
true that this wouldn't happen if it was only done occasionally
in light air, the problem seems to be habit. It's a bad habit, and
it's not necessary.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
That's a crock with sturdy Dacron cruising sails unless it's done for
extended periods in high winds. The sail against the spreader and stay
does
not cause accelerated abrasion at low wind speeds. I have done this with
my
main and have seen it done on many vessels... I have yet to see
significant
wear show on my sail in that area.

I'm not saying it won't cause abrasion... just that in light airs when
it's
usually employed.. the effect is negligible. In winds strong enough to
cause
the material to rub with force you would not elect to have the main so far
over.

CM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Yes, but the sails shouldn't be against the shrouds. It causes
| a lot of wear and tear for no reason.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Ever hear the term "Broad Reach".... or "Beam Reach"????
|
| CM
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| | You claimed you were reaching in a couple of the pictures,
| | but the mainsail is against the spreaders. How come?
| |
| | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Booby has been singing the same old tune for years.
| |
| | "Capt. Neal never posts any pictures of his Crapanado
| | sailing.
| |
| | "The Crapton never sails or he would post some
| | pictures of him sailing."
| |
| | "The loser never leaves the mooring."
| |
| | And on and on and on. Well, I finally got sick of
| | his harassment so I took some time to snap a few
| | pics this week-end of "Cut the Mustard" under sail.
| |
| | I must apologize because all the pictures were taken
| | from aboard and they don't really do justice to the
| | real beauty that is my Coronado under sail showing
| | the entire vessel in her glory. But, it these pictures
| | cause Booby to shut his yap it will be worth the
| | effort.
| |
| | http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html
| |
| | Enjoy!
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|