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... On 18 Nov 2008 17:01:01 -0600, Dave wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:11:07 -0500, said: It had ZERO to do with whether the labor was union or non-union, or how much money they were paid. $1,000 an hour for everyone, right? Won't make any difference. The only people making $1000 an hour were in management. Once again you are avoiding the truth. The workers were not making $1000 an hour. If they had, it would have made a difference, but they DIDN'T. YOU have already pegged the difference in wages between Toyota and UAW workers at $30 an hour. Just another dead red herring to throw on the pile. Not a red herring at all. I was simply demonstrating how your claim that the amount paid labor has zero to do with a company's ability to compete is ludicrous. Except we are talking about a specific company, and you went off the deep end with a nonsensical Hail Mary about paying the assembly line workers $1000 an hour. Red Herring. A big stinking Red Herring being ridden hard and put away wet by a straw man. Dave's just snapping. Sure, labor costs are a factor. BUT GM makes lousy cars. That's the bigger factor, as evidenced by the more expensive cars that Toyota/Honda sell hand over foot. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Dave's just snapping. Sure, labor costs are a factor. BUT GM makes lousy cars. That's the bigger factor, as evidenced by the more expensive cars that Toyota/Honda sell hand over foot. So there is a high correlation between UAW workers and crappy cars in America. The only thing left is to show a causal relation. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:59:27 -0700, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Chinese engines: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/bu...evy.html?fta=y Bailing out China too? Where do you think the U.S. gets (borrows) all the funds it is using for these bailouts? Some from China, some from Japan, some from the oil countries and places elsewhere. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:10:02 -0700, "Charles Momsen" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message areasolutions... Dave's just snapping. Sure, labor costs are a factor. BUT GM makes lousy cars. That's the bigger factor, as evidenced by the more expensive cars that Toyota/Honda sell hand over foot. So there is a high correlation between UAW workers and crappy cars in America. The only thing left is to show a causal relation. I don't believe the assembly line workers have much say in the design or marketing strategies of GM. They make whatever they are told to make. Duh! They don't "make" anything (other than trouble when striking, etc.) The subcontractors do the making. Assembly line workers assemble pre-made parts. Double duh! Bitty Bill = Bitty Brain -- Gregory Hall |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:10:02 -0700, "Charles Momsen" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message areasolutions... Dave's just snapping. Sure, labor costs are a factor. BUT GM makes lousy cars. That's the bigger factor, as evidenced by the more expensive cars that Toyota/Honda sell hand over foot. So there is a high correlation between UAW workers and crappy cars in America. The only thing left is to show a causal relation. I don't believe the assembly line workers have much say in the design or marketing strategies of GM. They make whatever they are told to make. GM is capitalized at about $2 billion. Why doesn't the UAW simply buy them out and run things correctly? I'm sure the Democrats in Congress would give them a paltry $2 Billion to buy the company, it's so much less than what management is asking for I bet some Republicans would go along too. |
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