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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is
so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door.
Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who
just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty,
blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well
and can lead to having your own business.

I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college
and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really
need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German
model of training workers for their particular field, that may be
another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a
huge
debt.

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

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Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are
no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is
the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of
debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent
college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the
number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are
collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it
ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back.

Check out these statistics:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/

Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO.

My wife is an out of work Analytical Chemist with two BS degrees in the
sciences and 25 years in analytical chemistry. She has been looking for
a job going on 10 months now. She is competing against people with PhD's
and MS's and other BS's. Some sites tell you how many people have
applied for the job you just applied to and often times it lists
anywhere from 150 to 300 people applying for that one position. Having a
college degree is no help when they jobs are not available.