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Brewing economic scandal
On 3/18/2013 7:46 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. My wife is an out of work Analytical Chemist with two BS degrees in the sciences and 25 years in analytical chemistry. She has been looking for a job going on 10 months now. She is competing against people with PhD's and MS's and other BS's. Some sites tell you how many people have applied for the job you just applied to and often times it lists anywhere from 150 to 300 people applying for that one position. Having a college degree is no help when they jobs are not available. Ahhh. That's when O'Bama steps in with his smoke and mirrors and "creates jobs" How sustainable is that going to be? Throw the bum out. |
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Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:46:49 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. My wife is an out of work Analytical Chemist with two BS degrees in the sciences and 25 years in analytical chemistry. She has been looking for a job going on 10 months now. She is competing against people with PhD's and MS's and other BS's. Some sites tell you how many people have applied for the job you just applied to and often times it lists anywhere from 150 to 300 people applying for that one position. Having a college degree is no help when they jobs are not available. You'd rather have her stupid than educated? Maybe she should flip burgers for a while. |
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