On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:24:56 -0600, Canuck57
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On 25/04/2010 12:02 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:24:23 -0600,
wrote:


Just like any other monkey this planet. You should read Maslow

ah. i see your problem. you're an authoritarian. you believe in sacred
texts and can't think on your own. that's why you're a right whiner.

Why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago? I am not
authoritarian but respect authority to a point.

says the guy who thinks we should repeat the mistakes of 1929

ironic, isn't it?


yes. i know about maslow. i minored in psychology, and went to nursing
school

Somehow I think you are bull****ing. If you really had a degree in
basic psychology you would know people are motivated by their needs and
their greeds. And greed isn't just about money, it could be
recognition, self worth, entitlement, manipulation...

now let's see...i said i MINORED in psychology...to him that means i
got a degree in psych.

gee. and he claims he can read. and he's been to college!


the funny thing about maslow...from the viewpoint of a physical
scientist...there's precious little DATA to back him up. his is a
heuristic view of the world. good in its own doman, but pretty much
useless for actually looking at how the world works

None of these theries have proof and are "perfect". Just Maslow made a
lot of sense to me and use it to this day as it seems to be one that works.

i have no problem with accepting maslow as a guide. in nursing school
we used it to priortize treatment of patients. but treating it as
gospel to guide economic policy?

i dont THINK so...


you have no capability for independent thought, so NATURALLY think in
terms of authority, stereotypes and cliches.

I repeat, why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago?

says the guy who wants to repeat the mistakes of 1929? why? you think
mistakes of 80 years ago are better than those made 100 years ago?

-when it's pointed out unemployment has dropped under obama? you want
to change HOW it's measured

I question those with shakey numbers, fast taking abd bull****.

gee. the measurement method has been the same for decades. yet you
question it only for the darkie president.

strange...almost as if you thought race should be a factor...


-when it's pointed out the US is the LEAST redistributionist economy
on earth? you say you don't care, that your theology requires it's the
MOST balanced.

So? Borrowing from a wise statement of the day, is this about same
rewards for all or equal access to opportunity?

you have a remarkable gullibility. you think that, if someone is rich,
they know what they're doing and deserve to be rich

any proof of that? nope.


-when it's pointed out the economy is growing you say it cant be
growing or you'd be wrong.

Because I don't think one dimensionally. GDP can grow but does not mean
people are employed or making more money or happier.

gee. i use a multidimensional analysis...GDP growth...unemployment
drop, etc

you? you want to change the goalposts every single time a measurement
disagrees with your right wing theology.


. We all
be needy and greedy, it defines us all. Just what is your need and
focus of your greed. Motivates people well when you understand that.

gee. greed. no patriotism. no honor. no pride in a hard day's work

Again, you are thinking one dimensionally. If one has a need to be
honorable, pride etc., as most do, then they will become that to satisfy
the need. It fits.

somehow i don't think a medal of honor winner's 'greed' is the same as
a wall street banker's greed. i'm sure, to a right winger, they're the
same, since a rich wall street banker is a hero...

but some of us see it differently


you despise the middle class

Nope.

you hate working people.

Nope. They are the back bone of society. But governance is ****ing on
them with debt and bailouts robbing their wealth.

says the guy who routinely calls 100,000,000 middle class americans
dupes for being raped by wall street.



One thing I always admired about Americans is their pride in their
country. Much to be proud off, never before have so many lived so well
with the foundation of less but functional government and equal access
to opportunity. Mutual repect and foundation of law.

except, in your view, for the middle class who are just a bunch of
sheep since they're not rich.


Now it is decaying.

you? you despise them all unless they're rich

Not as a rule. Just the ones that envy and want to use governemnt to
steal from successful people.

ah. successful people. like wall street bankers who have done SO much
for the middle class. your hero worship...your worship of wall street
leaves alot of room between you and working folks.

Governemnt taxation should not be used
for GM, Citi, Chrysler, BAC and a long list of other corrupted entities.
And people who support this rape of wealth, well, they have lost their
values.

and, it seems, you ignore the fact your view was tried. somehow
evidence has no effect on your thinking

typical right winger.



really? then, perhaps, you can tell me why the US had a higher
debt/GDP ratio after ww2 and built a world class economy.

How much debt is functional and how much debt you can afford is not
related at all to GDP. It is just a way to turd polish a bad situation.

more doubletalk. the fact is that, for 30 years, we've had right wing
free market fundamentalism drive up the secdtion of GDP based on the
financial sector to 40%. and the right said NOTHING about it...

except for people like you who worship the 'successful' rich


How much you can borrow is related to how much you can pay. With a
middle class in debt up to it's ass, unlike WW II, today does not have
the payment elasticity of WW II.

gee...let's see...in ww2, the rich at least gave the middle class a
decent living

TODAY the rich doesnt even give the middle class a pay raise. in 10
years, productivity has increased 28%. and the amount given to the
middle class?

zero. nothing. not a dime. yet wall street bitches that the middle
class isn't spending

and folks like you bitch at the middle class because you think we
should starve our children to finance wall street rich bankers


oh. you don't know bet you dont even know what percentage of the US
budget goes for debt service, do you?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

But know that with interest rates being so artificially low, that $193
billion each year or so could easily become a trillion with fair market
rates. As they are only paying a little under 1.4%. It really should
be 5%. They have also created a lot of Federal Reserve inflationary
funny money which means the interest rates will go up or the value of
the USD will go down and the truth will be inbetween.

the basis of the US economy is hte middle class...middle class
spending...

30 years ago i remember wall street used to INCREASE when unemployment
went UP because they thought it reduced corporate debt. today it goes
DOWN because even wall street realizes we need at least SOMETHING of a
middle class

how long is it going to take the right wing to realize we need low
unemployment and a decent raise every year? so far you guys believe
that the middle class should be a permanent rape victim


Good news is individual debt is going down as smart people are getting
rid of debt anticipating higher interest rates.

Just that the stumps like you are so biased and closed minded you never
put credence to others, thought history would not repeat etc.

says the guy who thinks greed is good...

how'd that work out for wall street?

US holdings, pretty dam good for 2009 and so far in 2010. Up about 53%
in the last 4 years. And you?

and the other 100,000,000 americans?

oh. i forgot. you'd be happy if their children were in the streets