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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way
to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work
force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of
labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that
workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president
in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the
contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

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Why should they cave to demands from management? How about
producing decent products that people want to buy?

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They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to
renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's
good management in place, then the union members will feel better
about consessions.

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Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less
than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this?
You?

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The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between
the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before
the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed.

Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate. Looks
like Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better. Chrysler I
think is on the way out completely.

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The artificial market rate. **** Poor management is the reason for
those egregious contracts. American car companies at the time had 80 or
90% of the world market. Why worry about fiscal responsibility when you
could pass on the cost and produce crappy cars. Now the real market
rate is maybe 25% of the negotiated rate. My daughter bought a used
Hyundai station wagon a couple years ago. 100k warrantee, good car, 70%
the price of a comparable American car. Buy American? Not when it
comes with a 42% premium. For a car with less warrantee.

Please show us the data for the "real" market rate. Yes. ****-poor
management. I agree. Thus, unions came into being.

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Look at what the non union successful car companies are paying and a valid
market rate is less than that.

Huh? Non union car companies not paying a valid market rate? How do you
figure that one?

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