On Sep 27, 11:17*pm, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:

There are NO unionized semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley. *Or
elsewhere, for that matter, AFAIK.

gee. it's too bad you don't know the industry. ever hear of IBM?

oh. you *haven't. but you're an authority on the industry

And you're a damned fool. *Never insult a man unless you're sure you
will survive the insult. *It's why manners were invented.

I've heard of IBM. *I used to work for NEC in the Silicon Valley wafer
fab facility and backend manufacturing. *Also worked for National
Semiconductor,

yes, i've been there. i installed some of the wet cleaning benches
used for cleaning devices.


Signetics/Phillips

was also at philips in san antonio...

, Fujitsu, and a few others. *They
helped me retire early. *Just for brags, here are a few jobs I worked at
various companies: *engineer, engineering manager, field applications
engineer, field applications manager, development tools manager,
business planning manager, director of marketing.

In fact, I could say you're not even qualified to evaluate my resume.

again, you know zip about the industry, it seems


Now let's look at a partial list of who actually had unionized
semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley:
Intel - No.
National Semiconductor - No.
NEC - No. *(second plant was in Roseville, CA)
Hitachi - No.
Fujitsu - No. (plant was in OR)
Cypress - No.
AMD - No.
Micron - No. (actually in Boise, ID)

In fact, the unions never got so much as a toehold in Silicon Valley.

exactly my point. those who claim unions destroyed these companies are
wrong. even you admit that by pointing out the companies that have
closed...NONE of which were unionized



As to their two chip plants, only the one in Fishkill has been renovated
to be commercially viable. *The other stays alive doing God knows what.
* Certainly they won't tell me, and I'm not inclined to do a white paper
for you for free.

don't flatter yourself


Most, if not all, semi plants today survive by manufacturing for others
as well as the parent company. *Look up Globalfoundries and Taiwan
Semiconductor for examples.

charter was j ust purchased last week. yes, i'm familiar with the
foundries. you seem surprised by teh economics of the industry...NONE
of which is union related.

i used to work for TI...they laid off their harvard/caltech/mit
researchers and outsourced R and D to TSMC...

oh. you don't know that 'cuz you still think everything's OK with the
industry...

agreed. and since there were no unionized plants there, ever, and
there are few plants there today, unions had zip to do with the death
of the industry in the US

Ask IBM why it could not sustain profitability with its major product
lines, and why it had to close plants world-wide.

But the industry is not dead; even if the plants are mostly all offshore
today

it's certainly dead in the US.