On Jan 22, 12:44*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.

Well, yes and no.

Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.

In a year.

Maybe more than that.

But he is closing it.

When is up in the air. *:)

So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.

How about torture. *President Obama is closing down *"black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.

Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.

That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.

So in a sense, Harry is right.

The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.

Doubtful.

What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.

Doubtful.

The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.

Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the battle
field.

Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.

True, but the CIA didn't.

The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.

Do you have proof of this?

It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
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He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk