On Jan 22, 12:44*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.

Well, yes and no.

Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.

In a year.

Maybe more than that.

But he is closing it.

When is up in the air. *:)

So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.

How about torture. *President Obama is closing down *"black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.

Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.

That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.

So in a sense, Harry is right.

The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.

Doubtful.

What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.

Doubtful.

The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.

Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the battle
field.

Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.

True, but the CIA didn't.

The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.

Do you have proof of this?

It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
not my problem if you are unaware of this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk

wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:44 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.
How can a person or administration be "more honest"?
Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.
Well, yes and no.
Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.
In a year.
Maybe more than that.
But he is closing it.
When is up in the air. :)
So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.
How about torture. President Obama is closing down "black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.
Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.
That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.
So in a sense, Harry is right.
The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.
Doubtful.
What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.
Doubtful.
The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.
Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the battle
field.
Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.
True, but the CIA didn't.
The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.
Do you have proof of this?
It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
not my problem if you are unaware of this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk


Are you an ignorant ass naturally, do you work at it, or are you related
to Herring or Loogy?

The facts are simple: the Israelis treat their prisoners humanely. We do
not.

On Jan 22, 12:58*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:44 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.
How can a person or administration be "more honest"?
Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.
Well, yes and no.
Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.
In a year.
Maybe more than that.
But he is closing it.
When is up in the air. *:)
So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.
How about torture. *President Obama is closing down *"black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.
Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.
That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.
So in a sense, Harry is right.
The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.
Doubtful.
What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.
Doubtful.
The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.
Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the battle
field.
Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.
True, but the CIA didn't.
The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.
Do you have proof of this?
It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
not my problem if you are unaware of this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk

Are you an ignorant ass naturally, do you work at it, or are you related
to Herring or Loogy?

The facts are simple: the Israelis treat their prisoners humanely. We do
not.

Hey, he asked simply for proof of your statement that:

The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.

Are you going to prove it, or just throw around insults?

HK wrote:


The facts are simple: the Israelis treat their prisoners humanely. We do
not.

Israel: Palestinian prisoners suffering inhuman conditions of detention
on hunger strike

The International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) expresses its grave
concern at the hunger strike observed by a large number of political
prisoners detained in Israel.


Send Alerted by its member organizations Al Haq, the Palestinian
Center for Human Rights (PCHR) and the Public Committee Against Torture
in Israel (PCATI), the FIDH recalls that thousands of Palestinian
political prisoners are currently on hunger strike in order to protest
against their detention conditions and their treatment inside Israel
Prison Service facilities.

The FIDH is extremely worried as the strike, that started on 15th August
in 4 Israeli prisons, is now spreading throughout other detention
facilities.

According the FIDH member organizations, the PCHR, Al Haq and PCATI,
prisoners are routinely subjected to torture, degrading treatment and
humiliation and especially to humiliating strip searches. Moreover,
political prisoners are often placed in solitary confinement for
extended periods of time. Since 15th August 2004, Israeli authorities
have taken harsh measures from the moment some prisoners declared their
intention to strike, such as transferring dozens of “prison leaders”
from general sections to solitary confinement, prohibiting all visits by
families and lawyers to the prisoners.

The FIDH had already published a mission report in 2003 denouncing the
bad conditions of detention of Palestinian prisoners in Israel and the
impossibility for their families to visit them. (Palestinian Detainees
in Israel: Inhuman Conditions of Detention, July 2003:
http://www.fidh.org/communiq/2003/i...) .

The FIDH recalls that such measures contravene namely to the UN Standard
Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners, applicable in situations
where individuals are deprived of their liberty.

The FIDH recalls that all individuals who are deprived of their liberty
shall be treated with humanity and with respect for their human dignity.

Considering that the prisoners’ demands are in conformity with the
international standards ensuring a human treatment to individuals
deprived of their liberty, the FIDH, together with its member
organizations, urges the Israeli authorities to:

ensure better conditions of detention to the Palestinian political
prisoners detained in Israel;
respect its international obligations under the ICCPR, the ICESCR, the
Convention Against Torture;
abide by the international Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of
Prisoners.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:44 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK
wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.
How can a person or administration be "more honest"?
Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.
Well, yes and no.
Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.
In a year.
Maybe more than that.
But he is closing it.
When is up in the air. :)
So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.
How about torture. President Obama is closing down "black"
stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.
Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.
That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh
interrogation
not being exactly true.
So in a sense, Harry is right.
The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.
Doubtful.
What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.
Doubtful.
The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.
Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the
battle
field.
Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.
True, but the CIA didn't.
The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.
Do you have proof of this?
It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
not my problem if you are unaware of this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk


Are you an ignorant ass naturally, do you work at it, or are you related
to Herring or Loogy?

The facts are simple: the Israelis treat their prisoners humanely. We do
not.

What proof do you have to support your assertion?

wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:44 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.
Clinton already has.
How can a person or administration be "more honest"?
Either you are honest or you are not.
It's not quite that black or white.
Well, yes and no.
Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.
In a year.
Maybe more than that.
But he is closing it.
When is up in the air. :)
So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.
How about torture. President Obama is closing down "black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.
Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.
That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.
So in a sense, Harry is right.
The Gitmo gulag will be shut down in a year or less. Period. Not more.
More likely, less.
Doubtful.
What's the holdup? Disposition of those being held. As soon as that is
worked out, the prison will close.
Doubtful.
The Army Field Manual has been revised since your days in the service.
It no longer is distributed on clay tablets. Further, it likely is to
be revised some one in that area, since some of the changes forced
during the Bush mis-administration were not exactly to the military's
liking.
Just means a few more illegal combatants will end up dying on the battle
field.
Keep in mind it is the professional military that objected to the
harsh tactics.
True, but the CIA didn't.
The Israelis have an interesting set of techniques with which they
torture their suspects: they set them up in dorms, let them do their
own cooking, allow contact family and conjugal visits, kill them with
kindness, and get a hell of a lot more information than we do.
Do you have proof of this?
It's been covered in the printed and television news several times. It's
not my problem if you are unaware of this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's unaware of it because you are Lobsta' boating the facts... snerk


Here ya go, ****head. Not the reference I had in mind, just the first
one that popped up.

http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog...i-journal.html


Note it is a Kuwaiti reporting on Israel treatment.


Now, is there a URL anywhere that indicates you, Loogy or Herring
separately or collectively have an IQ that is over 90?