UNIONS SUCK !


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On 28 Mar 2007 11:20:52 -0700, lid
(Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article ,
Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 17:35:46 -0700, lid
(Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

I had to join the union. It was a completely different
job function. I
forget the name of it... National something in San
Diego.

Jon, I can remember the name of every organization I've
worked for
going back fifty years. What's the problem?

I looked it up... National Pen... I had lots of jobs in
college. g

It is unusual for a factory in a forced union state like
California,
to have very low end and low paid jobs that are outside
the bargaining
unit. Being involved in the collective bargaining
process for many
years, I'm just trying to understand how that could
happen.

I have no idea. That's the way it was. I actually tried
to organize
the envelop stuffers and pen stampers at one point...
looked up the
procedure in the library, then started calling
established unions when
I realized how difficult it would be. Mostly, they
weren't
interested. The company had a lot of non-English
speakers... probably
illegals... who knows. Anyway, the company found out
someone was doing
this and went around saying they were going to give
people lie
detector tests. Most of the "American" workers told them
to f*ck off,
so it didn't go anywhere.

This the infamous wildcat strike company? Passed over a
wildcat
strike without reaction, then the Union committee passed
over an
unfair labor practice without comment. When was this.
Had to be
between 76 and sometime in the eighties, because I think
this company
moved manufacturing to my area of the country sometime in
the
eighties. And I'm not surprised they did, if what you say
is true.
Incompetent management and incompetent union committe.

I understand you had to join the Union. California is
not a right to
work state.

Yah... nice job actually. Fun except for the ink smell.

Point is not moot. Point, stated one more time is that
you can move
on or move up from any job. The key is to take one in
the first
place, work well, and build on it, either with that
organization
within the capacity for promotion or with the next one.
Anyone can do
that if they "choose" to do so.

Ah, but sometimes, in fact most of the time, at a minimum
wage job
that's just not possible. Anyone cannot do it if they
choose anymore
than I can fly a kite in the midddle of a busy street...
g

"Most of the time" ?, Give me some facts to back up
another statement
grabbed from the air.

I went back to visit Steve D., the manager at my below
minimum wage
job from time to time, as I said, had a great deal of
respect for him.
All my co-workers gone. All moved on to bigger and better
things.
Steve used to keep up with most of his ex-employees for a
while.

My sons all worked entry level jobs, (not minimum, as
stated minimum
is rarely paid in the poorest state in the nation,
moreover, it is
rarely paid anywhere), they've moved on and up as have
their
coworkers.

Now I realize, being well versed in statistics when I was
a quality
manager, these events do not make a statistically relevant
sample.
You, however, have offered nothing but your opinion as
usual.