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Frank Boettcher

On 28 Mar 2007 11:20:52 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
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Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 17:35:46 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

I had to join the union. It was a completely different job function. I
forget the name of it... National something in San Diego.

Jon, I can remember the name of every organization I've worked for
going back fifty years. What's the problem?

I looked it up... National Pen... I had lots of jobs in college. g

It is unusual for a factory in a forced union state like California,
to have very low end and low paid jobs that are outside the bargaining
unit. Being involved in the collective bargaining process for many
years, I'm just trying to understand how that could happen.

I have no idea. That's the way it was. I actually tried to organize
the envelop stuffers and pen stampers at one point... looked up the
procedure in the library, then started calling established unions when
I realized how difficult it would be. Mostly, they weren't
interested. The company had a lot of non-English speakers... probably
illegals... who knows. Anyway, the company found out someone was doing
this and went around saying they were going to give people lie
detector tests. Most of the "American" workers told them to f*ck off,
so it didn't go anywhere.

This the infamous wildcat strike company? Passed over a wildcat
strike without reaction, then the Union committee passed over an
unfair labor practice without comment. When was this. Had to be
between 76 and sometime in the eighties, because I think this company
moved manufacturing to my area of the country sometime in the
eighties. And I'm not surprised they did, if what you say is true.
Incompetent management and incompetent union committe.

I understand you had to join the Union. California is not a right to
work state.

Yah... nice job actually. Fun except for the ink smell.

Point is not moot. Point, stated one more time is that you can move
on or move up from any job. The key is to take one in the first
place, work well, and build on it, either with that organization
within the capacity for promotion or with the next one. Anyone can do
that if they "choose" to do so.

Ah, but sometimes, in fact most of the time, at a minimum wage job
that's just not possible. Anyone cannot do it if they choose anymore
than I can fly a kite in the midddle of a busy street... g

"Most of the time" ?, Give me some facts to back up another statement
grabbed from the air.

I went back to visit Steve D., the manager at my below minimum wage
job from time to time, as I said, had a great deal of respect for him.
All my co-workers gone. All moved on to bigger and better things.
Steve used to keep up with most of his ex-employees for a while.

My sons all worked entry level jobs, (not minimum, as stated minimum
is rarely paid in the poorest state in the nation, moreover, it is
rarely paid anywhere), they've moved on and up as have their
coworkers.

Now I realize, being well versed in statistics when I was a quality
manager, these events do not make a statistically relevant sample.
You, however, have offered nothing but your opinion as usual.

That's what the subject was about, do you remember.

Nope.

Nope, completely lucid. You make constant reference in your posts to
Bush being the direct cause to everything bad in the world. The
conclusion that can be drawn is that you hate him like most liberals
do. I'm just trying to find out if you know something specific that
links him directly to a centuries old problem of people who lack the
individual iniative or personal responsibility to support themselves.
People who are able, but make a choice not to work.

Everything bad? No. Just a major attempt at the ruination of this
great country.

That is the topic. I'm not talking about those who cannot because of
some mental or physical issue, just those who choose not to prepare
themselves or who refuse to take a job.

And, I'm saying that is a very small minority of those who do minimum
wage jobs.

Once again, you made the claim, so back it up. Let's have the facts.

Just did.
No facts given. Where are they. Go back and read it again. Do you
just hate Bush or do you have some facts that link him as a cause of
an age old problem of people who do not want to work or prepare
themselves to work. BE SPECIFIC!!!!!