Capt. Neal® wrote:
Ignorant liberal talking points every one of which is easy to debunk . . .


I suppose that's true if you believe the trashy propaganda from places
like Rush Limbaugh. OTOH if youo actually read a newspaper from time to
time, you wonder when the grown-ups are going to come home.

| If you genuinely feel that the U.S. better off with
| 1- a shakier economy

Fact: The economy is strong and getting stronger and this is
due to the Bush administration tax cuts.

Really? Then why did it take so long? The tax cuts were enacted almost 5
years ago.

The fact is that relative to the growth of the deficit, the economy is
either shrinking or growing at far far below historic levels.


| 2- higher national debt

Pray tell when in the last fifty years has the national debt
NOT gotten higher in a given four period election cycle?

Umm, during the Clinton years.

And you might want to check the *rate* of growth of the deficit. And you
might also want to check the definition of "conservative" with regarad
to fiscal policy.


| 3- a large number of countries that hate us

Who gives a flying **** other than a liberal weenie?

People that travel to other countries? Maybe by sailboat?


| 4- greater terrorist threat (see #3 above)

Oh? A greater terrorist threat? Is that why we have not
been attacked by terrorists in this country since Sept. 11?

I guess that's why the State Dept quit issuing it's terrorist report...

| 5- an over-stretched military

Bwahahahahahah. Funny how the 'overstretched" military is
kicking ass every place they operate.

Like Louisiana?

... But, then again you libs
seem to think the purpose of the military is to deliver meals
on wheels.


No, I think the military's purpose is to appear so fierce as to make it
unnecessary to fight.

However, since we are facing real threats from several places and cannot
credibly produce any realistic threat of force, I suggest that the
occupation of Iraq (which is contributing nothing to U.S. security) is
bit of drain on our national defense resources.

Did the Pentagon announce that they could invade Iran easily and strip
them of their nuclear facilities any time they are ordered to? No, they
said we do not have any realistic way we can attack Iran's nuclear
potential. Did the Army say, "Sure, let's move right over from Iraq to
Syria. Just give the word"?

And did the Army announce that recruiting is going so well that they are
sending guys home early?





| 6- Middle East gov'ts that openly support anti-US terrorism within reach
| of developing nuclear weapons (see #3 & #4 above)

Isreal will wipe out any threat once it becomes real.

Actually, you might want to check into reality here. Israel has said
that it has no plans to try and attack Iran and believes that it would
be too difficult to destroy enough of their facilities to make it worth
the risk.


You forgot China and North Korea to whom your man Clinton sold
nuclear secrets.

Still peddling that fantasy? When did this supposedly happen? Don't
forget the one about him peddling cocaine to schoolkids, too.


| 7- porous borders that allow almost anybody thru, including a large
| influx of sub-minimum wage workers to support top-heavy corporations

I don't hear you libs doing anything about the borders.

Funny thing, there is not a liberal President so it's not "the libs" job.



| 8- an economic elite who earn 1,000X what a productive worker earns
| 8a- who are able to divert tremendous amounts of wealth into their
| own pockets
| 8b- and are immune to prosecution
| 8c- chosen for their support of certain political sub-groups rather
| than any merit

Now you show your true bent - liberalism bordering on communist.

???

You think it's a good idea for corporations like Enron to jerk the rug
out from under thousands of hard-working men & women, then have the
corporate officers walk away with millions because they handed out big
bucks in political donations to the right hands?



| 9- Federally mandated institutions which favor a given political party,
| inculding tax-payer funded partisan propaganda

Seems to me it was a Democrat who wrote the election reform legislation
which violates free speech

???

McCain is a Democrat now?


| 10- gutted education

Bwahahahahahahahah. You lose again. It's the President who pushed
and got passed the no child left behind legislation.

You mean the "no teacher left unpunished" act? It is basically a
political chainsaw aimed at the teachers unions, and hs done very little
to improve education.

And why is a "conservative" trumpeting about having the Federal gov't
interfere with local schools?




| 11- an expanded Federal gov't which sucks up tremendous amounts of the
| national wealth, yet can produce scanty positive results for citizens.

And it would be far worse if the Democrats hadn't lost so many elections
in the past eight or so years.

Actually, the national finances were looking better and better up until
the Bush Administration got their hands on the checkbook.

President Bush has never vetoed a spending bill.



| 12- diminished rights for citizens

I haven't noted that my rights have been diminished as yet.

That's because you haven't been paying attention.



As I have debunked each and every one of your fallacious points

Really?

OK if you say so.

DSK