Capt. Neal® wrote:
Ignorant liberal talking points every one of which is easy to debunk . . .


I suppose that's true if you believe the trashy propaganda from places
like Rush Limbaugh. OTOH if youo actually read a newspaper from time to
time, you wonder when the grown-ups are going to come home.

| If you genuinely feel that the U.S. better off with
| 1- a shakier economy

Fact: The economy is strong and getting stronger and this is
due to the Bush administration tax cuts.

Really? Then why did it take so long? The tax cuts were enacted almost 5
years ago.

The fact is that relative to the growth of the deficit, the economy is
either shrinking or growing at far far below historic levels.


| 2- higher national debt

Pray tell when in the last fifty years has the national debt
NOT gotten higher in a given four period election cycle?

Umm, during the Clinton years.

And you might want to check the *rate* of growth of the deficit. And you
might also want to check the definition of "conservative" with regarad
to fiscal policy.


| 3- a large number of countries that hate us

Who gives a flying **** other than a liberal weenie?

People that travel to other countries? Maybe by sailboat?


| 4- greater terrorist threat (see #3 above)

Oh? A greater terrorist threat? Is that why we have not
been attacked by terrorists in this country since Sept. 11?

I guess that's why the State Dept quit issuing it's terrorist report...

| 5- an over-stretched military

Bwahahahahahah. Funny how the 'overstretched" military is
kicking ass every place they operate.

Like Louisiana?

... But, then again you libs
seem to think the purpose of the military is to deliver meals
on wheels.


No, I think the military's purpose is to appear so fierce as to make it
unnecessary to fight.

However, since we are facing real threats from several places and cannot
credibly produce any realistic threat of force, I suggest that the
occupation of Iraq (which is contributing nothing to U.S. security) is
bit of drain on our national defense resources.

Did the Pentagon announce that they could invade Iran easily and strip
them of their nuclear facilities any time they are ordered to? No, they
said we do not have any realistic way we can attack Iran's nuclear
potential. Did the Army say, "Sure, let's move right over from Iraq to
Syria. Just give the word"?

And did the Army announce that recruiting is going so well that they are
sending guys home early?





| 6- Middle East gov'ts that openly support anti-US terrorism within reach
| of developing nuclear weapons (see #3 & #4 above)

Isreal will wipe out any threat once it becomes real.

Actually, you might want to check into reality here. Israel has said
that it has no plans to try and attack Iran and believes that it would
be too difficult to destroy enough of their facilities to make it worth
the risk.


You forgot China and North Korea to whom your man Clinton sold
nuclear secrets.

Still peddling that fantasy? When did this supposedly happen? Don't
forget the one about him peddling cocaine to schoolkids, too.


| 7- porous borders that allow almost anybody thru, including a large
| influx of sub-minimum wage workers to support top-heavy corporations

I don't hear you libs doing anything about the borders.

Funny thing, there is not a liberal President so it's not "the libs" job.



| 8- an economic elite who earn 1,000X what a productive worker earns
| 8a- who are able to divert tremendous amounts of wealth into their
| own pockets
| 8b- and are immune to prosecution
| 8c- chosen for their support of certain political sub-groups rather
| than any merit

Now you show your true bent - liberalism bordering on communist.

???

You think it's a good idea for corporations like Enron to jerk the rug
out from under thousands of hard-working men & women, then have the
corporate officers walk away with millions because they handed out big
bucks in political donations to the right hands?



| 9- Federally mandated institutions which favor a given political party,
| inculding tax-payer funded partisan propaganda

Seems to me it was a Democrat who wrote the election reform legislation
which violates free speech

???

McCain is a Democrat now?


| 10- gutted education

Bwahahahahahahahah. You lose again. It's the President who pushed
and got passed the no child left behind legislation.

You mean the "no teacher left unpunished" act? It is basically a
political chainsaw aimed at the teachers unions, and hs done very little
to improve education.

And why is a "conservative" trumpeting about having the Federal gov't
interfere with local schools?




| 11- an expanded Federal gov't which sucks up tremendous amounts of the
| national wealth, yet can produce scanty positive results for citizens.

And it would be far worse if the Democrats hadn't lost so many elections
in the past eight or so years.

Actually, the national finances were looking better and better up until
the Bush Administration got their hands on the checkbook.

President Bush has never vetoed a spending bill.



| 12- diminished rights for citizens

I haven't noted that my rights have been diminished as yet.

That's because you haven't been paying attention.



As I have debunked each and every one of your fallacious points

Really?

OK if you say so.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message ...
| Capt. Neal® wrote:
| Ignorant liberal talking points every one of which is easy to debunk . . .
|
|
| I suppose that's true if you believe the trashy propaganda from places
| like Rush Limbaugh. OTOH if youo actually read a newspaper from time to
| time, you wonder when the grown-ups are going to come home.
|
| | If you genuinely feel that the U.S. better off with
| | 1- a shakier economy
|
| Fact: The economy is strong and getting stronger and this is
| due to the Bush administration tax cuts.
|
| Really? Then why did it take so long? The tax cuts were enacted almost 5
| years ago.

It took a while to get out of the recession that started during the last
year Clinton was in office.


|
| The fact is that relative to the growth of the deficit, the economy is
| either shrinking or growing at far far below historic levels.

Twist the stats all you want but I like to believe the sustained growth
of 3.5 to 4 percent with historically low unemployment rates even with
all the hurricanes we've had.

|
|
| | 2- higher national debt
|
| Pray tell when in the last fifty years has the national debt
| NOT gotten higher in a given four period election cycle?
|
| Umm, during the Clinton years.

The deficit was lower but the debt kept growing. Typical liberal
who doesn't know the difference.

|
| And you might want to check the *rate* of growth of the deficit. And you
| might also want to check the definition of "conservative" with regarad
| to fiscal policy.
|
|
| | 3- a large number of countries that hate us
|
| Who gives a flying **** other than a liberal weenie?
|
| People that travel to other countries? Maybe by sailboat?

It is of no consequence. The average citizen of any country
doesn't think of politics when a sailor comes into port. If
you'd do anything other than trawler around the Intracoastal
you'd know as much.


|
|
| | 4- greater terrorist threat (see #3 above)
|
| Oh? A greater terrorist threat? Is that why we have not
| been attacked by terrorists in this country since Sept. 11?
|
| I guess that's why the State Dept quit issuing it's terrorist report...

Huh??? Is a report an attack?

|
| | 5- an over-stretched military
|
| Bwahahahahahah. Funny how the 'overstretched" military is
| kicking ass every place they operate.
|
| Like Louisiana?

If you weren't such a liberal you'd know the military is not
a meals on wheels organization.


|
| ... But, then again you libs
| seem to think the purpose of the military is to deliver meals
| on wheels.
|
|
| No, I think the military's purpose is to appear so fierce as to make it
| unnecessary to fight.

Even a grizzly bear can be attacked by a wolverine. A wolverine can
kill a grizzly cub. Live in the real world for once.

|
| However, since we are facing real threats from several places and cannot
| credibly produce any realistic threat of force, I suggest that the
| occupation of Iraq (which is contributing nothing to U.S. security) is
| bit of drain on our national defense resources.
|
| Did the Pentagon announce that they could invade Iran easily and strip
| them of their nuclear facilities any time they are ordered to? No, they
| said we do not have any realistic way we can attack Iran's nuclear
| potential. Did the Army say, "Sure, let's move right over from Iraq to
| Syria. Just give the word"?
|
| And did the Army announce that recruiting is going so well that they are
| sending guys home early?

Recruiting is going well. Check out the recent stats. You've not heard how
they are meeting and exceeding quotas lately have you? Could it be because
the liberal media won't report positive news about the military?

|
|
|
|
|
| | 6- Middle East gov'ts that openly support anti-US terrorism within reach
| | of developing nuclear weapons (see #3 & #4 above)
|
| Isreal will wipe out any threat once it becomes real.
|
| Actually, you might want to check into reality here. Israel has said
| that it has no plans to try and attack Iran and believes that it would
| be too difficult to destroy enough of their facilities to make it worth
| the risk.

And, you believe them? Isreal is about fourth or fifth leading nuclear
power with delivery capability all over the middle east.

|
|
| You forgot China and North Korea to whom your man Clinton sold
| nuclear secrets.
|
| Still peddling that fantasy? When did this supposedly happen? Don't
| forget the one about him peddling cocaine to schoolkids, too.

It's a well known fact. Easily researched. Just google "Clinton Chinese
Nuclear Secrets".

|
|
| | 7- porous borders that allow almost anybody thru, including a large
| | influx of sub-minimum wage workers to support top-heavy corporations
|
| I don't hear you libs doing anything about the borders.
|
| Funny thing, there is not a liberal President so it's not "the libs" job.

And Clinton closed the borders? Bwahahahahahahhah! He even let
the 9-11 terrorist in to have free reign. Google "Able Danger".

|
|
|
| | 8- an economic elite who earn 1,000X what a productive worker earns
| | 8a- who are able to divert tremendous amounts of wealth into their
| | own pockets
| | 8b- and are immune to prosecution
| | 8c- chosen for their support of certain political sub-groups rather
| | than any merit
|
| Now you show your true bent - liberalism bordering on communist.
|
| ???
|
| You think it's a good idea for corporations like Enron to jerk the rug
| out from under thousands of hard-working men & women, then have the
| corporate officers walk away with millions because they handed out big
| bucks in political donations to the right hands?

I believe in capitalism. It's what's made this country great. You are
a communist. Forgive me if I think a great system is better than communism.

|
|
|
| | 9- Federally mandated institutions which favor a given political party,
| | inculding tax-payer funded partisan propaganda
|
| Seems to me it was a Democrat who wrote the election reform legislation
| which violates free speech
|
| ???
|
| McCain is a Democrat now?

Yes, much of the time he is.


|
|
| | 10- gutted education
|
| Bwahahahahahahahah. You lose again. It's the President who pushed
| and got passed the no child left behind legislation.
|
| You mean the "no teacher left unpunished" act? It is basically a
| political chainsaw aimed at the teachers unions, and hs done very little
| to improve education.
|
| And why is a "conservative" trumpeting about having the Federal gov't
| interfere with local schools?
|
|
|
|
| | 11- an expanded Federal gov't which sucks up tremendous amounts of the
| | national wealth, yet can produce scanty positive results for citizens.
|
| And it would be far worse if the Democrats hadn't lost so many elections
| in the past eight or so years.
|
| Actually, the national finances were looking better and better up until
| the Bush Administration got their hands on the checkbook.
|
| President Bush has never vetoed a spending bill.

And Democrats have never failed to bloat one . . .


|
|
|
| | 12- diminished rights for citizens
|
| I haven't noted that my rights have been diminished as yet.
|
| That's because you haven't been paying attention.
|
|
|
| As I have debunked each and every one of your fallacious points
|
| Really?
|
| OK if you say so.
|

Happy that you've come to your senses.

CN

Doug,
You're a scholar and a gentleman.
Scout