"KMAN" wrote in message
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"Tinkerntom
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what this is about.
Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim
that
Canadians
are dying in waiting lines for health care?
[] Yes
[] No
Ok I'll try to answer you! Last night, I spent several hours
going
through the archives of this discussion, reading several
hundred post
by Kman, frtwz, Mike D, Wilko, Scott W, and of course our good
friend
rick. I do not know whether rick will abide by my arbitration
in this
matter though so I am not sure whether I should wait for him
to agree.
However, he did say in one of his post even this AM, that he
stands by
his record, and that he posted as he claims evidence of
Canadians dying
while on wait list for medical procedures and Tests. I am
assuming also
that being on a wait list is the same thing as being in a wait
line. If
they are different, I did not find any claim by rick that
people are
dying in an actual line while waiting, or evidence to support
any such
claim.
Right. That's all I am saying.
You should have simply ticked "yes" instead of babbling on, but
oh well.
He has not provided any evidence that Canadians are dying
waiting in line (or waiting on a list) for health care.
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Yes, I have.
However, on 2/20 at 9:32 Rick presented 4 links as evidence to
support
his claim that Canadians were dying while on wait list, and
receiving
late, slow, and inadequate medical procedures. That if a
Canadian had
the funding, that he could go to the USA and receive prompt
medical
attention, and that in Canada, such outsoursing was considered
illegal,
and subject to a substantial penalty. Rick was not comparing
the
advantages or disadvantages of the two systems, nor even
saying that
the American system was good at all. He was only commenting on
the
Canadian system that resulted in long wait times for certain
procedures
In certain rare circumstances, particularly in geographically
isolated areas, or for unique specialty tests, yes.
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And treatment. Even YOU have said Canadians wait for treatment.
and tests that at times resulted in people dying before they
could
receive the medical attention that could have served to save
their
lives.
There is no evidence of that.
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Yes, there is.
He was not saying that once the people actually received the
medical attention, that the medical practices themselves were
inadequate or non-professional. The 4 links are as follow:
http://www.nupge.ca/news_2000/News%20May/n12my00a.htm
http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-24-04.html
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...oysplight.html
Yes, I saw all of them.
None of them say that Canadians are dying waiting for health
care.
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ROTFLMAO You really are that stupid, aren't you? The very first
first one says otherwise right in the headline of the article.
Are you really so set on being the worlds worst liar that you
continue even when the evidence is in front of you?
The main objection to one of the links at the time was
regarding the
Frasier Institute, and its supposed backers, as being
anti-Canadian
medical system. Whether this is true or not, I can not
determine.
The Frasier Institute are a bunch of whackos,
======================
Says the head whacko?
and not a reliable source of
objective information, but even they aren't saying Canadians
are dying waiting for health care.
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LOL Selective reading there too?
Rick
also offered that there were many other links to support his
claim,
data that came from Canadian universites, labor unions, think
tanks,
that would not supposedly be anti-Canadian. He did not list
any other
specific link that I found.
No, he didn't.
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Because fool, you have already shown that if I list a link, you
have some reason not to believe it. I offered you the
face-saving way out by finding your own information. You proved
instead that you wished to remain willfully ignorant.
Regarding your question, unless there is a distinction between
waiting
list, and waiting lines, and irregardless of the credibility
of the
links provided as evidence, I believe that rick did provide
evidence to
support his claim. So my vote is yes, and I believe you KMAN
owe rick a
public apology.
Please provide me with the precise quote from one of his links
where it states that Canadians have in fact died waiting in
line for treatment.
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Read them fool. Then write them and ask. Afterall, they are
YOUR countrymen. I'm sure they'll give you the info. But, as I
have stated before, you are too afraid to find out the truth.
Now I hope this can bring and end to the acrimony, and I would
note
that though I believe rick provided the evidence, that I
understand
better after reading maybe a hundred post by him that his
style can be
abrasive. My only suggestion is that in the future if you want
to avoid
the abrasion, don't engage him in debate. TnT
TnT
I would suggest that you be more careful in evaluating the
question at hand.
If you saw evidence provided by Rick (or anywhere else) that
Canadians have died waiting in line for treatment, please post
it.
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It just was, fool, again. That you wish to ignore it is your
problem!