THom said: I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions
were
pre-determined

No way.....nothing is pre-determined or for that matter, pre-destined.
Before that, man had the moral consciousness of any other animal...

And then Thom said: It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

Nope...the rules were in place before man gained a conscience...he just
didn't have to play by them yet....


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