You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.

A water ski and a kite board in and of themselves
cannot be defined as vessels. The person that stands
on both is being pulled either by a boat or a kite. The
person drags the ski or the board along fast enough
so it gets up on plane. Both board and ski are more of
an implement or a piece of apparel and not a vessel.
Is a snorkeler's pair of swim fins to be called a vessel?
Anybody who cannot see this valid point is an imbecile.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
No the skier is a person and not a vessel. Your argument is illogical.
Is a ship with no motive power not a vessel? What about a barge?
Bwhahhahhahahaa -as you say.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

NO! The water ski and the kite board without the
help of a towing vessel or a kite cannot transport
anybody anywhere. Neither kite board or water
ski can possibly be a vessel. Take an extreme
example, the water skier who skis on his own
two bare feet, I'm sure you've seen it done.
Are the skier's two feet vessels? Is the skier
a catamaran then? Bwahahahahhahahahha!

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...



I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
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