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On 10/3/2015 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 14:20:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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We were talking about "illegal" possession. If a state has no permit
requirements to own a firearm, then it isn't illegal to have one.


If the gun was purchased legally by a legally qualified buyer, why
should it be illegal to own? You are talking about making it illegal,
ex post facto.
That is yet another constitutional violation.



Man, has this discussion gone off topic. Maybe my fault for not being
more precise in what I've been yapping about.

To answer your question (above) ... in some states ... including mine
.... you cannot legally purchase, own or have in your possession a gun
*unless* you have a state issued permit to own a firearm. Nothing to
do with federal law.

If you own or have in your possession a firearm but do *not* have a
state issued permit, you are subject to arrest, jail
and/or fine.

Is that clear enough?

I suppose the next question is, "well how does law enforcement know you
have a gun but no permit".

Doesn't matter. It's still illegal in some states. But, suppose you
decide to go to a firing range to practice and you get pulled over for
some traffic violation. The cop notices the gun case you have your gun
stored in and asks if you have any guns or weapons in the car. You
answer honestly and he runs a check to see if you have a permit for it.
If you don't ... you are subject to arrest.

A couple of years ago I was driving a old car that I had just purchased
that needed brakes. I was on my way to the guitar shop and as I
approached an intersection the light turned yellow. One of those
cases where you have to make a quick decision to stop or go through it.
Rather than brake hard with grinding brakes and because the
intersection was otherwise clear, I proceeded through it.... right in
front of a MA state trooper who must have just graduated from the
academy. Still had pimples. He pulled me over. First time in almost
40 years that I had been stopped for a moving traffic violation.

I was carrying that day because I had quite a bit of cash on me for the
shop. Put both of my hands on the top section of the steering wheel
as recommended by gun safety instructors and the NRA.

He must have noticed that because his first question was, "Do you have
any guns or weapons". Told him yes, I had a Walther pistol in a holster
on my right hip and that I was licensed for concealed carry. He ran a
check on me from his cruiser and all was fine ... except the damn $100
ticket for failure to stop.

Now, if I had the gun on me but no state license, I would have been
arrested.

That's my point.