On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:41:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

No ****.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.



Honestly, I was not espousing that as the proper way to do things
these days. Nor was it meant to be a reason or excuse for not doing
things your way.

I think most people here wish the laws in existence would be enforced,
rather than piling on more laws to *not* be enforced. Your solution
seems to be lots of paperwork and more beaurocracy, as though that
will make everything hunky-dory.

Just as sad.